Probably served as an illusion to lengthen the average game length so that the customer doesn't feel they are getting outright robbed into only getting to play ~20 hands at most for the rake they are giving PokerStars in these games.

It also adds more suspense to the all in moments.

After playing a reasonable amount of games the format appeals quite fun at first but quickly turns downhill fast when your realize the variance that is added to the 1st place payouts just by choosing your prize. It's quite disheartening to win a tournament and make peanuts to begin with and even more disheartening to win a tournament of a reasonable multiplier and draw a prize less than the 2nd place payout.

I realize the EV is higher for the 1st place prize but come on PokerStars. Nobody wants to go from the high feeling of winning a poker tournament only to have their prize determined by how lucky they are at choosing a mystery box when 2/3's the time the prize will be 2nd place money or worse. That is a soul crushing result and of course it does feel awesome when you choose the top prize but please fix it so that the consolation prizes aren't such a downer.

Didn't know that. For me it's allways been poker first.

Getting quite off topic, but in case this might be of interest - 888's verticals as a share of its overall revenue from last 10 years. Casino (the blue) has never dipped below 50%.

edit - i should also clarify, when i said 888 only added sport in 2015, that's not accurate; it just wasn't large enough to split out into its own vertical. Prior to 2015 it would have made up the majority of 'emerging offerings'

At least bingo is dying as fast as poker. Goddamn bingo players.

Would very much be interested in knowing other player's roi over 100 games. I have so far played 64 games and have cashed 23% and finished 1st 17% and yet my roi is -44%. My max winning prize - 5x buy in.

I know my sample is tiny but anybody here who has played over 100 games and would like to share his/her stats?

with this high variance format u prolly need 10k games to accurately compare ur cev with rake to determine whether its unbeatable or not (if ur a proven winner in regular spins or hypers). but who would want to do that while they are still winning in lower variance games?

I started to grind these but PT4 didn't track consistently. I still think they are beatable.

I'm also looking for numbers of other players to compare their results with my result. I am a recreational player (+ - 5 games / day). Also, I'm sorry if there are some spelling mistakes in my message, English is not my native language.

Buy-in: $ 245 ( 245 x $1 )
Winnings (rakeback not included): $311.8
92 games cashed.
I won 25 times a prize between $ 4 and $ 10. I also won a spin with a cashout option which is my biggest winning ( $13.30 ). The three prizes were + - $ 22, + - $ 17 and a very low price or the cash out option for $13.30. This prize explains why my result is $311.8

Looks like I run well . Despite the negative comments from the community, i think this gametype is fun to play as a recreational player. Obviously it's difficult to dislike a game when you are winning, but S&GMax has the good aspects of Sp&G ( short, players act quickly, random prizes etc. ) but is less boring than the classic sp&g due to the random number of players.

I was watching Pokerstars twitch stream the other day and Spraggy fired up some of these to fill in time as I think he was down to 1 or 2 tournaments. The amount of grief he was getting from the chat was so much that he stopped playing them.

That was the official stream, with 1000's happily watching one of their favourite streamers and he has to stop because the mood of the viewers suddenly changed after witnessing these games and him winning a few and getting a prize less than 2nd place.

I don't see how Pokerstars can see that and think this is a move in the right direction for poker games when casual twitch viewers just watching thought they were horrible.

Well, GL trying to beat 9% rake or comparable amount over 20 hands with payouts based on an unknown distribution. I'm sure it was designed with the thought in mind that the ppl amaya wants to get rid off, shown by latest measures, make money in these. And to incentivizes that, they keep the distributions a secret.

P.S.: I recommend investing the bucks into a logics course instead.

Some filthy casuals will dislike the random prize generated element of the games and not play them, while other filthy casuals do like randomly generated prizes and will glean some enjoyment out of these games, particularly if they're running well or enjoy chasing big lottery like prizes.

The end.

Wait untill you get down to 100 chips win 5 all ins then pick the top prize you will feel like Tom Dean.

LOL pokerstars, I quit poker about 5 years ago, releasing that it will eventually become a massive rake machine. Like back in 2010 - 2011 you had more and more hypers, turbos, etc showing up. A clear trend towards coinflips by 2020.

I have been occasionally playing a sng here and there, maybe 5 games every 4 months. Last one was some weird spin n go where you can win a ticket that you can only use in a specific hyper turbo MTT. After winning it and releasing it's a ticket, not cash, and getting nowhere with Stars support (as it was miss-advertisement), I asked to have my account closed forever.

It was funny, they did a "temp closure" and I had to ask for a lifetime closure, then they sent me an email "are you sure you want to do this? you won't be able to play on Stars again! bla bla", as if Stars is the only thing that matters in life!

Got my account closed and never thought about it twice! I suggest everyone does the same. There's loads more fun activities to do, better gambling games, better ways to spend your money and time.

It's a big, massive world out there and there are also waaaaay better and more fun ways to make money then grinding a zero sum game with a trend of becoming a raked coinflip.

That's what you want us to think so you can have all the fish to yourself. Nice try.

How to win this game:

Step 1: Sit out
Step 2: Still sit out
Step 3: ????
Step 4: Profit

I feel your pain. Recently I played one of these just to blow off some steam. It was 4 handed, got down to me and a sit out when it went to all-ins. I had a 1980 to 20 lead.
I lost every hand. That was not fun, have not played one since.

Sharing some numbers to players who think this is lottery game :

SNGMAX played : 2'163
My C-buy in : 32'775.03$
My C-Net Won : 6'786.71$
ITM : 33.66%
Av. Finish 2.29
ROI : +20.71%


And keep going, soft game.

Looks like you ran really good at multipliers, anon poster. Congrats! (21% ROI on 33.7% ITM)

Sharing some numbers to players who think the national lottery is a lottery game:

Peter Random
Lottery Tickets bought: 3650
Peter's C-buy-in: 3650$
Peter's C-Net Won: 6,500,000 $

GL bro!

You might use some time in the photoshop lab and post some actual stats.

Gonna finish my 3 months photoshop courses and post the graf...

lmao


There is the graf as some of you are mistrustful on 2+2. @LeaksSuck @KossuKukkula

More seriously there is a high variances in those games, you can run like god in many SPIN in a roll and take less than 2th in each one of them… Or all the SPIN won are some 1.33x buy in…. But it still a long term profitable and beatable. You have to adapt each SPIN, you never know whats gonna happen and GAMBLERS loves it, so I can say thanks smart POKERSTARS. 




@Max Cut, looks we run good in multi cuz In that 2.2k games we hit a +18K prizepool, finish 3rd and took 2k being cheap leader for the «*all in*»… Of course those we would love to play them till the end and take of this F**** «*all in*» mode.. But no tilt it’s A long therm job for us <3 but THE one time for fishes and thats why they come back. 




GL guys

https://i.imgur.com/AV3iYcB.png

This is how looks a +18K SPINMAX 8 Players.