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Pokerstars Italy accused of tax avoidance Pokerstars Italy accused of tax avoidance

03-12-2015 , 08:38 AM
They brought more than 300m abroad and risk a "maximulta" (high fine) of 100m.

english link:
http://www.cardschat.com/news/pokers...al-guard-10386

italian link:
http://www.lastampa.it/2015/03/11/it...KN/pagina.html

I hope this is not true, due to the increased rake I and a lot of other players had to pay to play some online poker.
Some games became tough to beat, HU Hypers have a 7+% rake and some games were simply EV-, like Spin and goes were raked near 10%....
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03-12-2015 , 09:19 AM
Seems to be corporate tax rather than gaming duty. So the Italian govt appears to want two bites of Italian players rake - if they tax professionals as well it would be a third bite. Oh there's vat as well that's a fourth bite.
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03-12-2015 , 09:20 AM
Pretty funny considering the whole point of having .fr, .it, and etc was to avoid situations like this.

By funny I mean pretty standard.
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03-12-2015 , 10:11 AM
when in rome...
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03-12-2015 , 10:37 AM
complain about rake but you get SNE in 1.4mil hands of nl100 there.
arent vpp's the only thing stars players care about?
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03-12-2015 , 10:37 AM
I've never gotten so much as a speeding ticket in any country and I've been to several. Went to Italy once and got fined for every god damn thing they could think of. At least they didn't Amanda Knox me though.
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03-12-2015 , 11:40 AM
they just wanna recoup the 300m italian fish have lost, italians playas suck
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03-12-2015 , 11:43 AM
can only dream this is the beginning of end for stars. hope the site crumbles
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03-12-2015 , 11:55 AM
poker is fun for everyone
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03-12-2015 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ...|...
complain about rake but you get SNE in 1.4mil hands of nl100 there.
arent vpp's the only thing stars players care about?
sorry, that I don´t have the time to grind 24/7.
But if you are willing to play there I`ll sell you my account...
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03-12-2015 , 01:27 PM
I already have an account, im just saying you can grind 100zoom and 3 or 4 table of reg 4-5hrs a day and get SNE. Its ridiculous.
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03-12-2015 , 02:46 PM
^def not true, and I'm playing on ps.it also, so I know what I'm talking about.
Also I want to remember you that more VPPs -> more rake taken from the pots -> less money for you in the end
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03-12-2015 , 03:46 PM
I wonder if the mafia played any part of this.
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03-12-2015 , 04:19 PM
Tax avoidance is not tax evasion. The latter is illegal.

Just clarifying.
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03-12-2015 , 04:23 PM
pokerstars is going to fight that in court for many years.

by then Italy will have collapsed on itself and it won t matter to them

lets see if they take their licence away during litigations cause otherwise pokerstars isn t really under pressure.

Italy is so corrupt its laughable that they sue for tax evasion.

whats up with Monte Paschi. I bet those banksters are not even charged yet. Guess stars didnt pay the Pizzo...the real Italian taxes
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03-12-2015 , 09:42 PM
This is news yet Apple gets a walk.
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03-13-2015 , 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by leconnaisseur
pokerstars is going to fight that in court for many years.

by then Italy will have collapsed on itself and it won t matter to them

lets see if they take their licence away during litigations cause otherwise pokerstars isn t really under pressure.

Italy is so corrupt its laughable that they sue for tax evasion.

whats up with Monte Paschi. I bet those banksters are not even charged yet. Guess stars didnt pay the Pizzo...the real Italian taxes

It wont collapse as it sit on one of the wealthiest economy in the world in terms of financial assets.
The govt sure is greedy and overspending, and that's a fact
Also the total tax rate is very high and leads to tax avoidance.
The guy claiming there is an overwhelming level of regulation is also right (milions of laws, literally, believe me or not)

Concerning Monte Paschi, yes there has been a huge assets loss due to its policy of financing (you can call it a "mafia", but it's not, is more like a huge political and territorial lobbying), but yet, it's overall loss was around couple billions, and it's the only loss of this type, to date, for the finacial crisis in Italy, a small fraction compared to aig, lehman, northern rock etc etc. Monte Paschi was the wealthiest and the oldest bank here in Italy, was very strong in terms of assets, this helped a lot (financial market not percetly developed in terms of connections and complexity)

The fiscal enforcment is rude and "violent", you dont want to deal with it... and they are famous for "overshooting" people, companies with a 50% ratio of "shipping it"

I would write for hours as it's full of contraddictions in every corner you look at. But i think it's complicated to understand from abroad.
I feel ashamed and proud to be italian (as my avat shows, self trolling )
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03-13-2015 , 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by SretiCentV
I've never gotten so much as a speeding ticket in any country and I've been to several. Went to Italy once and got fined for every god damn thing they could think of. At least they didn't Amanda Knox me though.
sure there were guys imprisoned for no reason, we had some, Amanda was not one of those, lucky girl she made it safe.
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03-13-2015 , 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by razorbacker
poker is fun for everyone
A+
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03-13-2015 , 03:29 AM
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03-13-2015 , 03:56 AM
As a side note: in 2011 they started chasing poker pros for abroad winnings (matter of double taxation)
The EU court dropped the request only few months ago.
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03-13-2015 , 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by what_a_drama
Lol. I saw this thread and my first thought was to photoshop basically this exact image.
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03-13-2015 , 04:21 AM
loled. 2p2ers off their game. made it through a page w/o the prahlad photoshop.
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03-13-2015 , 06:11 AM
yea, was pretty obvious and easy, but i still had to do it. if i had better skills id do something more elaborate. hopefully a 'shop genius jumps in and does something creative and awesome.
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03-13-2015 , 10:08 AM
I am not an expert regarding tax laws, even tho I am italian.
So could somebody illuminate me and explain to me, if this is just a desperate move by the italian goverment or did PS.it avoid taxation by illegal means?

Last edited by kokomo; 03-13-2015 at 10:17 AM.
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