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View Poll Results: Will you continue playing on Stars after the VIP changes?
I will likely quit poker as a profession soon after. 61 14.15%
I plan to move most/all of my action to another site. 257 59.63%
Keep grinding it. More rake is better anyway. 113 26.22%
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Old 05-18-2017, 03:45 PM   #1326
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I'll believe it when I see it.
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Old 05-18-2017, 03:49 PM   #1327
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"10+ ppl" as in ~nobody
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Old 05-18-2017, 04:05 PM   #1328
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well , guess everything looks clearer now that partypoker is going to give 40% rakeback , bye stars hello party
Lol, I give you 2 months before seeing you complaining about how horribly awful Party's software is
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Old 05-18-2017, 06:12 PM   #1329
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well , guess everything looks clearer now that partypoker is going to give 40% rakeback , bye stars hello party
*up to 40%

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Lol, I give you 2 months before seeing you complaining about how horribly awful Party's software is
More like 2 minutes when they realize you can't use a hud.
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Old 05-18-2017, 10:42 PM   #1330
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Lol, I give you 2 months before seeing you complaining about how horribly awful Party's software is
i have played there for a long time, software isnt so bad if you use table ninja or partycaption.

the only thing that is annoying is the new hh format , they should go back to normal hh's in regular cash tables.
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Old 05-19-2017, 12:05 AM   #1331
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For players who play Zoom format, I switched from Pokerstars to PartyPoker since the begin of this year and I can say that you won't notice any difference.
Zoom at Pokerstars makes no sense when you have a site that will give you 40% (plus more if you have 1 affiliate).
Hud works in Fast Forward.
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Old 05-19-2017, 03:08 AM   #1332
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More like 2 minutes when they realize you can't use a hud.
officialy you cannot. reality is way different
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Old 05-19-2017, 03:55 AM   #1333
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More like 2 minutes when they realize you can't use a hud.
Have you considered the option that the only difference in having huds banned is that honest people like you get tricked into believing that other players at the table don't use a hud?

It's not a fair policy, by having an unenforceable rule like this, partypoker effectively lies to its costumers - a lot of poker players would prefer a hud-free environment - and obviously, recreational players (unaware of this fact) get hurt the most.
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Old 05-19-2017, 04:39 AM   #1334
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10bb/100 you say? if that's the case, playing 4 tables can net you approx. $200/hour. and that's before rakeback. who is making $200/hour at zoom plo? no one.
Nobody gets 1000 hands an hour 4 tabling zoom PLO, especially not while actually winning. IIRC I get something like 600~ which is still good.
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Old 05-19-2017, 07:50 AM   #1335
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How hard is it to cashout on stars?

I have like ~70 in my account, am in Canada and never withdrawn.

Probably will move elsewhere
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Old 05-19-2017, 07:56 AM   #1336
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Not hard at all, works fine. They didn't yet decide to steal player's deposits, I wouldn't be too sure this doesn't happen in the future tho with their history of having criminal managers like David Baazov.

Personally I had no problems with keeping money in the account in the past, now I keep barely more than my min br requirement and can only advise everyone to do so.

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Old 05-19-2017, 09:40 AM   #1337
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Not hard at all, works fine. They didn't yet decide to steal player's deposits, I wouldn't be too sure this doesn't happen in the future tho with their history of having criminal managers like David Baazov.

Personally I had no problems with keeping money in the account in the past, now I keep barely more than my min br requirement and can only advise everyone to do so.
Rakeback changes definitely correlate to stars stealing players deposits.

Thread is full of morons.
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Old 05-19-2017, 10:27 AM   #1338
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U seem to have trouble understanding,
I said it is not hard at all and works fine.

I don't wanna destroy your trust in the online poker business, it's just that there are really prominent examples where sites scammed players for their deposits. So keeping the amount of money u don't need as br in a bank account rather than at an online poker site is a pretty simple measure of risk minimization w/o losing anything (or did I miss stars is paying a competitive interest rate now?). Also I did not state or suggest they actually do this, I just said there is some probability they do this in the future.

Or a we disagreeing on things like Amaya having a criminal CEO in the past? I'm sure you know how to use google. Anyway, u seem to be unaware of how things worked in the past, so there's lots to read (e.g. in these forums) which is a better use of your time than insulting me.
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Old 05-19-2017, 10:37 AM   #1339
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One of the examples of fraud on gamblers is the illegal telephone lottery fraud perpretrated by Josh/Ofer Baazov over 20 years ago. He was ordered to repay $777K to players but hadn't paid anything when a Canadian newspaper looked into it recently.

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/pres...-against-phony

Josh/Ofer Baazov is one of the people accused of insider trading in cooperation with then Amaya CEO, David Baazov.

If this isn't clear, the Baazov family has prior form for stealing money from gamblers. Don't have a significant portion of your life roll on there.
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Old 05-19-2017, 11:42 AM   #1340
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Rakeback changes definitely correlate to stars stealing players deposits.

Thread is full of morons.
[ ] Rakeback changes definitely correlate to stars stealing players deposits.

[x] Thread is full of morons.
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Old 05-19-2017, 03:04 PM   #1341
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Moldran was streaming today and was all pumped up about the chests. just like in diablo you get chests. So it must be partially true that stupid recs might actually think the new system is good. Yeah who cares about money when you can win TICKETS!!
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Old 05-19-2017, 03:12 PM   #1342
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So according to the poll 56% of players plan to move most/all of their action to another site.
can't think of anything more worthless than this poll
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Old 05-19-2017, 11:45 PM   #1343
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Was going to chime in with the same thing I've been repeating for years, a ~4 table cap solves all the problems these ridiculous complicated other options have attempted and failed to achieve but Stars won't do it because their revenue would take a significant short term hit. It seems they would prefer to let the frostbite kill them instead of lopping off a few fingers and toes and living a relatively healthy life well into the future.
Their creditors have probably told them it will be more like both arms and both legs getting lopped off, maybe a stake through the heart. They can't do it.
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Old 05-19-2017, 11:48 PM   #1344
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One of the examples of fraud on gamblers is the illegal telephone lottery fraud perpretrated by Josh/Ofer Baazov over 20 years ago...

If this isn't clear, the Baazov family has prior form for stealing money from gamblers. Don't have a significant portion of your life roll on there.
And it was widely speculated that Josh Baazov may have indefinitely continued on as a shadow director of Amaya.
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Old 05-20-2017, 01:11 AM   #1345
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Who's making $200 an hour from zoom?
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10+ ppl
That's extremely hard to believe, but could be convinced by evidence.
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Old 05-20-2017, 09:51 AM   #1346
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700 hands/hour 4 tabling 500z @6bb/100 = over $200 an hour
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Old 05-20-2017, 04:51 PM   #1347
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700 hands/hour 4 tabling 500z @6bb/100 = over $200 an hour
Your point?
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Old 05-27-2017, 10:00 AM   #1348
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I would suggest we sign some sort of petition where we ask PS to disclose what average % was being given back before/after changes.
Rewards may be random but they obviously have put some numbers into their algorithm, and as their customers we should be able to know those
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Old 05-27-2017, 12:21 PM   #1349
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I would suggest we sign some sort of petition where we ask PS to disclose what average % was being given back before/after changes.
Rewards may be random but they obviously have put some numbers into their algorithm, and as their customers we should be able to know those
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Old 05-27-2017, 01:20 PM   #1350
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I would suggest we sign some sort of petition where we ask PS to disclose what average % was being given back before/after changes.
Rewards may be random but they obviously have put some numbers into their algorithm, and as their customers we should be able to know those
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