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Pokerstars - Important changes to VIP reward for 2017

View Poll Results: Will you continue playing on Stars after the VIP changes?

I will likely quit poker as a profession soon after.

62 13.51%

I plan to move most/all of my action to another site.

273 59.48%

Keep grinding it. More rake is better anyway.

124 27.02%

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04-03-2017 , 03:59 PM

#651

_jimbo_

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,440

Awesome. Got one of the 'your getting ****ed emails' as well.

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04-03-2017 , 04:13 PM

#652

GreekHero12

centurion

Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 111

Let's face it poker isn't so profitable for amaya and if you think about it given that the players play against each other make the game beatable...on the other hand casino and sportsbook where the players play against the house make the game unbeatable and extremely profitable for the company I agree with the decision to put those on company but we ain't gonna pay for that by cutting our rewards and have terrible connections and support...we aren't some junkies addictives gamblers degens we can boycott them...last let's thanks all those who put extreme volume so they can raise 24 millions for Ronaldo and neymar and they don't do ANYTHING

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04-03-2017 , 04:20 PM

#653

pontylad

banned

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,720

Like the Imp said, they are not even continuing with the usual lie of wealth redistribution to the fish "your RB will be slashed but recs will remain the same". This is going to be one of the biggest online heists ever seen and they don't even care about trying to hide that fact.

I would have less of a problem with these changes if that money was redistributed to the recreational guys or rakeback was removed in line with a rake reduction but this is nothing of the sort.

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04-03-2017 , 04:25 PM

#654

MultiTabling

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,849

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Originally Posted by GreekHero12

Actually it's net depositors who pay for those things, not net withdrawers. There was an excellent post made a while ago (forgotten the link) which explained how it's net depositors who pay all the rake to the poker site.

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04-03-2017 , 04:31 PM

#655

ICMIZER 3 Representative

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,651

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Originally Posted by pontylad

Yea it's pretty much the first time they do not mention some redistribution idea.
Sick stuff. Rake decrease seems logical, say in tournaments, but who believes that it will actually happen?

This is what happens when there is no real competition from other poker rooms for years. With FTP alive this wasn't real, but since it was acquired noone stood up so they can afford all these changes.

Makes me wonder why it is so difficult to come up with a reasonable Poker-centric product offering with lower rake and make a living out of it, but I guess there are some reasons for that.

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04-03-2017 , 04:32 PM

#656

Puza2010

stranger

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 9

They are slowly transitioning from poker to casino and sportsbook. The money spent on advertising will shift to those as well. As Baazov said, they bought pokerstars for its number of customers. They don't care about poker surviving as long as the numbers will add up in other games.

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04-03-2017 , 04:51 PM

#657

_jimbo_

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,440

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Originally Posted by pontylad

Exactly, if the money was redistributed to rec players it would give a decent boost to the economy but they have no intention of doing anything like this.

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04-03-2017 , 04:59 PM

#658

Maximus122

adept

Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 899

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Originally Posted by SJM_

I would like to take this opportunity to thank Stars for funding my long trips to SE Asia over the last 10 years and not having to deal with the real world.

Time to move on.

This.

There's nothing left now.

$2.50/5 Zoom will die along with $60 and up sit and gos.

Maybe it's a blessing. Poker is a waste of life anyways

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04-03-2017 , 05:04 PM

#659

_dave_

_Pooh_Bah_

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,146

We have no idea what is going to be done with the money, just it won't all be going directly to people such as those receiving warning emails.

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04-03-2017 , 05:05 PM

#660

GonZo72

adept

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 915

Amaya gonna Amaya

Time to start a massive coordinated campaign on social media explaining recs why pokerstars are evil and why they should play on other networks.

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04-03-2017 , 05:09 PM

#661

pontylad

banned

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,720

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Originally Posted by _dave_

We have no idea what is going to be done with the money, just it won't all be going directly to people such as those receiving warning emails.

Really? you don't think Stars' recent history suggests what will happen this time too?

They make no mention of increased RB for recreational players, so if it's not going to them then it's going to stars/promotions. You'd have to be playing a very hard devils advocate to suggest that none of this money is going to just line the stars coffers.

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04-03-2017 , 05:17 PM

#662

OurSurveySays

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 5,486

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Originally Posted by Esa_Perse

Party is changing the rb system and most likely gonna be worse. Mpn and ipoker are the ones offering decent rbs atm from the bigger networks. Acr allso I think but don't play there.

As an ambassador for PartyPoker, can say the new rewards system is going to be very simple for players and I believe everybody will love the new changes.

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04-03-2017 , 05:20 PM

#663

Sect7G

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,234

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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays

As an ambassador for PartyPoker, can say the new rewards system is going to be very simple for players and I believe everybody will love the new changes.

It's hard to please everyone on here

But it will be nice to see a major player in the industry do something good for the players.

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04-03-2017 , 05:22 PM

#664

DickeLatte

adept

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,152

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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays

As an ambassador for PartyPoker, can say the new rewards system is going to be very simple for players and I believe everybody will love the new changes.

fix your hand history mess. every other reg has a hh grabber anyways, so in fact you're just making it harder for people to detect cheating.

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04-03-2017 , 05:23 PM

#665

_dave_

_Pooh_Bah_

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,146

I don't know the details, like everyone here. But rakeback IS "promotions". And I think it's fairly obvious these days it's a very ineffective one.

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04-03-2017 , 05:24 PM

#666

inneedformoney

enthusiast

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 60

Evil corp in action

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04-03-2017 , 05:27 PM

#667

Esa_Perse

banned

Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 1,850

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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays

As an ambassador for PartyPoker, can say the new rewards system is going to be very simple for players and I believe everybody will love the new changes.

Sure hope so. It's the least they can do after that hh format fiasco.

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04-03-2017 , 05:38 PM

#668

youriw21

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 684

"With that in mind, the upcoming program is focused around rewarding players more frequently within a single playing session rather than providing month-long goals."

I think this means we will lose the different VIP levels and everyone will be the same from now on.

The new programm will be about the challenges. The different games for lowstakes players to generate some extra RB. When you don't finish the challenge that day (play 10 spin and go's for example) the bonus will forfeit and you can start with a fresh challenge the next day. They will probably let you pick a challenge that suits your game. That is what they have experimented with the past year.

If this it true, then it will profit them huge. Basically changing nothing, just ditching the step coinrewards.

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04-03-2017 , 05:41 PM

#669

pontylad

banned

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,720

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Originally Posted by _dave_

I don't know the details, like everyone here. But rakeback IS "promotions". And I think it's fairly obvious these days it's a very ineffective one.

I see it completely differently.

Effective rake = Actual rake - rakeback

Rakeback is just a part of Rake not a promotion. That's why the highest rakeback sites don't necessarily offer the best value games because the rake can be absurd/uncapped.

Stars announcement isn't one of a change to a promotion but one of a rake increase for the majority of players here.

Guess we'll see what happens

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04-03-2017 , 05:58 PM

#670

Esa_Perse

banned

Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 1,850

Btw curious why they choose Denmark to begin with? Any ideas? Testing the waters in a smaller regions first so they can cut a little bit more?

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04-03-2017 , 06:07 PM

#671

Federer20

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 381

Oh yes pokerstars. **** me right in the butt

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04-03-2017 , 06:10 PM

#672

ICMIZER 3 Representative

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,651

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Originally Posted by Esa_Perse

Btw curious why they choose Denmark to begin with? Any ideas? Testing the waters in a smaller regions first so they can cut a little bit more?

The standard practice in software rollouts is to deliver the update to the certain % of customer base, so the impact of problems can be more easily mitigated.
A lot can happen out of this update, they'll monitor the metrics, check their assumptions. If everyone stops playing, they won't roll out it worldwide, for example.

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04-03-2017 , 06:19 PM

#673

_dave_

_Pooh_Bah_

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,146

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Originally Posted by pontylad

And that's why it's become so ineffective. They're spending many millions on the VIP program, and the main beneficiaries don't even consider it a promotion!. They'd be better served doing literally anything else!

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04-03-2017 , 06:21 PM

#674

gonsena

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 212

Italy was chosen also. But they also launched in italy the APP for mobile devices and spin and go, in their beta times

https://gyazo.com/7cfacfc9185eb36a20048aa7cde2fdda

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04-03-2017 , 06:21 PM

#675

CheckN0rris

grinder

Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 415

Damn, Amaya is really going Nuts to Butts on this one! It hurts..

They did it over the course of 2 years in smaller steps, but they basically removed rackeback for most pro's or in other words increased Rake a LOT.

It was the most obvious and most easy moneygrab there was, that's why this whole rakeback system sucks, just lower rake and not having RB would be so much better right from the start. If that was the case they had to actually come forward and increase rake. Now they are just wording it well and it's not that obvious.

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