with the new rewards program being filter around other formats stars has to offer im perma banned from sports and casino bets

in for 10% RB for the rest of my days

GG

do u mean self-exclusion? if not, how did u get banned?

Yeah basically gonna be an identical system to 888s one.

Gg grinding any volume online after this lands.

**** you Amaya, **** you.

stars only offers poker in my area so dunno what that means, but since its amaya im still prolly f****d

Yeah self-exclusion. I just like to think I banned casino from my client.

Just wrote an email to stars support about the V.I.P. program:

This was their response :

Does this suggest there is no value to mass grinding any more, in terms of rakeback?By profile do they mean the stakes you have played recently, along with casino activity?

I'm confused as to what this potentially means for Supernova grinders. If there is no higher RB for reaching 10k/100k vpp's, but RB based on recent gaming activity; but not volume, then does that mean you are better off only playing when games are good and perhaps playing on multiple sites? As playing more overall hands in a month/year won't change your overall RB %?

Probably something if you are alosing b/e player who likes to play slots and make bets gets more than your typical grinder playing multiple tables and nothing else. And the best part is that stars is the only one who knows how this system works and give basically nothing back. 888 system incoming I assume.

At the very least, there should be transparency.

your days are numbered rakepros

****ing pokerstars

Phil, I know you're reading. My credit card is ready. Help. Please.

please

Rakeback pros - it's time for an agonizing reappraisal of the entire situation.

Trying to become a winning poker player is hard - lots of study, and things keep changing. Who needs that? Gotta admit, life has been easier and better as a rakeback pro.

But what happens when the online poker companies wake up and cut off the free money train? We all knew it was too good to last (and honestly, how did it last this long?)

Well, it's time to retarget your skills. Here's an area with potential: sweepstakes. ( http://www.slate.com/articles/busine..._sweepers.html)

It's perfect for the rakeback grinder skillset. With time, effort, and dedication, you can dominate, just like with loyalty program grinding. Don't simply dismiss it; this is a viable idea.

just to let you know: I can't trade my starcoins for cash anymore

same here, I mean, this has to be a bug, even Amaya wouldn't do that without a notice, right? I got a lot of money locked up in starcoins ffs

e: I checked in zoo and stars rep said it's a bug, should be fixed shortly

Hello Faria,

Thank you for your email.

Due to a technical issue we have been forced to temporarily remove all VIP Cash Rebates from the VIP Store.

We understand the importance of resolving this and are working as quickly as possible to have these brought back.

We apologize for any inconvenience this causes you.

Please continue checking the VIP Store throughout the day for an update.

If you have any further questions, we wil be happy to assist.

Regards,

Diana
Stars Support

That's the idea. They've said many times that they want to get rid of the mass-tabling breakeven rakeback grinders. The changes in 2017 look to be the final nail in the coffin for rakeback pros (on Stars at least).

is there any site left besides ACR for those rakeback pros?

i'm confused; are we now cheering for stars to decrease rakeback aka increase the rake so that 'rakepros' -- people who are breakeven or slightly losing after (current) rake -- now either have to quit or become better to be winning again? should we already make fun of the current small winners because they will be the rakepros of the future?

Ipoker and mpn you can get 50% back.

do they ban winning players?

No.

Not sure about the longevity of good mpn deals considering the tone in the emails I've been getting lately. Which is a shame, because that's prob where I would be heading if stars messes this up.

That's good. I thought they had randomly removed rebates and I missed an announcement.