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Old 02-25-2016, 08:49 AM   #1
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Pokerstars.fr pulls out from the Austrian market



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Old 02-25-2016, 09:01 AM   #2
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Re: Pokerstars.fr pulls out from the Austrian market

what exactly has changed in the austrian legal framework?
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Old 02-25-2016, 09:03 AM   #3
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For noobs, can someone explain the .fr thing? I'd always assumed .fr was PS' ringfenced France site. But what countries did it include?
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Old 02-25-2016, 09:22 AM   #4
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Damn ! But why ??
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Old 02-25-2016, 09:43 AM   #5
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Re: Pokerstars.fr pulls out from the Austrian market

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For noobs, can someone explain the .fr thing? I'd always assumed .fr was PS' ringfenced France site. But what countries did it include?
it's fenced b/c the player pool only includes the fr-client, but you could/can sign up from other countries ... kinda surprised about the pull from Austria and i've no clue whatsoever what "change of the legal framework" they are referring to
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Old 02-25-2016, 09:47 AM   #6
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Re: Pokerstars.fr pulls out from the Austrian market

Sry, confused - if it's "fenced", i presumed that meant that you MUST be located within France to play, is that correct? Are you saying that you can SIGN UP from anywhere, or that you can actually PLAY from anywhere?
e.g. can Russians create both ps.com and ps.fr accounts and play both from russia??
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Old 02-25-2016, 09:55 AM   #7
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Sry, confused - if it's "fenced", i presumed that meant that you MUST be located within France to play, is that correct? Are you saying that you can SIGN UP from anywhere, or that you can actually PLAY from anywhere?
e.g. can Russians create both ps.com and ps.fr accounts and play both from russia??
all you needed was an EU bank account. UK nationals used to be able to play. I would have been able to play from Vietnamese IP when they banned the UK as I was not physically located in the UK and had Viet address. I am pretty sure Canadians and Australians can play from their respective countries with an EU bank account unless the rules have changed for they countries. Not sure about Russia but you definitely would need an EU bank account at the very least.
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Old 02-25-2016, 10:08 AM   #8
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all you needed was an EU bank account. UK nationals used to be able to play. I would have been able to play from Vietnamese IP when they banned the UK as I was not physically located in the UK and had Viet address. I am pretty sure Canadians and Australians can play from their respective countries with an EU bank account unless the rules have changed for they countries. Not sure about Russia but you definitely would need an EU bank account at the very least.
Correct.

For exemple, i live in Switzerland. Not in the EU. I could play on .FR, but in order to do that i would have to open a bank account in an EU country.
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Old 02-25-2016, 10:10 AM   #9
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Sry, confused - if it's "fenced", i presumed that meant that you MUST be located within France to play, is that correct? Are you saying that you can SIGN UP from anywhere, or that you can actually PLAY from anywhere?
e.g. can Russians create both ps.com and ps.fr accounts and play both from russia??
short answer: you don't have to be located in france and i know several ppl from Germany/Austria, who played. also a lot of ppl on P5s have fr-accounts added to their profile ... i never signed up, so i never bothered to check all the details tbh
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Old 02-25-2016, 10:37 AM   #10
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Cool, thx. (I assume Stars has no problem with people having BOTH .com and .fr accts?)
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Old 02-25-2016, 10:41 AM   #11
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Pokerstars.fr pulls out from the Austrian market

No problems, they are different sites.
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Old 02-25-2016, 11:49 AM   #12
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Re: Pokerstars.fr pulls out from the Austrian market

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what exactly has changed in the austrian legal framework?
Nothing changed. In late 2014 the Austrian government started to look into online gambling licenses in more detail. Operating gambling sites in Austria without an Austrian issued license is illegal. So I guess stars.fr stalled as long as they could and now the time has come where they have to shut their virtual doors. Shame..
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Old 02-25-2016, 12:07 PM   #13
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Is this gonna make the fields better or worse?
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Old 02-25-2016, 12:07 PM   #14
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Re: Pokerstars.fr pulls out from the Austrian market

Very sad day for me personally.....

Regarding Highstakes MTT:
Now with FTP and stars.fr gone u basicly have to decide between those reg-infectet 12-19 bb avg stack games (obv with higher rake than ever) on stars.com or the little offer on other sites with ****ty software......

How many f***ed up news can they come up with in such a short time??? (probably cant blame amya for this one tho)
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Old 02-25-2016, 12:12 PM   #15
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Is this gonna make the fields better or worse?
A little better for .fr and no influence on .com is my guess
But they are amazing with or without Austria throughout all buy-in levels
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Old 02-25-2016, 12:13 PM   #16
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Re: Pokerstars.fr pulls out from the Austrian market

I suppose PokerStars.fr withdrawal may have something to do with this:

QUOTE: Gaming software specialist Playtech has agreed terms to take over the supply of Austria’s regulated online poker network. The initial three-year deal will see Playtech work closely with the Austrian Lotteries and Casinos Austria-owned win2day brand to replace existing suppliers and deliver a desktop and mobile-enabled poker platform for the country’s only regulated network.

The platform will launch in March with software and technical support over the next three years, as Playtech works alongside win2day to expand the offering.

SOURCE: http://www.intergameonline.com/i-gam...-poker-network
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Old 02-25-2016, 12:26 PM   #17
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Re: Pokerstars.fr pulls out from the Austrian market

Why would .fr pull out because of austrian legislation but .eu won't ?!
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Old 02-25-2016, 12:28 PM   #18
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all you needed was an EU bank account.
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Correct.
For exemple, i live in Switzerland. Not in the EU. I could play on .FR, but in order to do that i would have to open a bank account in an EU country.
Last dense question: what's an "EU bank account"...just a bank account denominated in Euros? Or one that's domiciled in an EU country? And if the latter, do you have to be a resident of an EU country to open an "EU bank acct"?
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Old 02-25-2016, 12:34 PM   #19
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Why would .fr pull out because of austrian legislation but .eu won't ?!
Because of the kangaroos
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Old 02-25-2016, 12:52 PM   #20
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Last dense question: what's an "EU bank account"...just a bank account denominated in Euros? Or one that's domiciled in an EU country? And if the latter, do you have to be a resident of an EU country to open an "EU bank acct"?
It's just a bank account held in a country within the EU.

I had a stars.fr account in the UK before our legislation revamp.
My UK Current Account in GBP was acceptable to open it. Note - this was the only method allowed for withdrawal. I guess it cut down on fraud.

I would assume its possible to get an EU bank account even if you are not a resident in the EU, that would be up to the individual bank.

There was also a slightly more stringent KYC process to get an account with stars.fr, including having to receive a letter in the mail.
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Old 02-25-2016, 01:01 PM   #21
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...what's an "EU bank account"? do you have to be a resident of an EU country to open an "EU bank acct"?
[1] I believe an E.U. Bank Account is a bank account in any of the 28 European Union member states

[2] You don't need to be a resident of a particular country to open a bank account, but it isn't cut & dried

** US customers are not welcome at all European banks for all sorts of reasons
** Many banks [but not all] do require residency
** Banks that don't require residency may not accept you if you don't show up on their credit scoring system [so European banks aren't likely to find you on their system if you've done no business locally & you don't reside in the EU]
** All banks will move mountains to open an account for you no matter where you're from if you're wealthy
** Good luck trying to open a bank account if you're 'no fixed abode' or actually homeless [although there are regs in place to counter this discrimination]

Example: This link mentions two German banks that will take non-EU residents: https://www.deutscheskonto.org/en/op...count-germany/
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Old 02-25-2016, 01:10 PM   #22
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Re: Pokerstars.fr pulls out from the Austrian market

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what exactly has changed in the austrian legal framework?
Nothing, most likely. Same as in Schleswig-Holstein, where PS all of a sudden decided to stop offering FT and PS.fr without any legal Change since like 3 years (licenses been given out, but ignored for years before).
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Old 02-25-2016, 03:24 PM   #23
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Nothing, most likely. Same as in Schleswig-Holstein, where PS all of a sudden decided to stop offering FT and PS.fr without any legal Change since like 3 years (licenses been given out, but ignored for years before).

"The Schleswig-Holstein question is so complicated, only three men in Europe have ever understood it"

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Old 02-25-2016, 03:43 PM   #24
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Re: Pokerstars.fr pulls out from the Austrian market

Someone asked support:

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On January 1st, 2016, PokerStars started paying gaming duty taxes to the Austrian Government for play on PokerStars.FR by players who had a registered address in Austria.

This additional tax was in addition to the tax that PokerStars was already paying to the French government for play by all players on PokerStars.FR.

It was unsustainable for PokerStars to pay double tax to both the Austrian and French Governments for play by Austrians on PokerStars.FR. Consequently, we have little choice, and need to stop allowing players with a registered address in Austria to play on PokerStars.FR.

Please note this is only for Austian players.

We appreciate your understanding.
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Old 02-25-2016, 03:51 PM   #25
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Hmm. Reminds me of what happened with Ireland suddenly being kicked up the hole and off of Winamax.fr too.
Still can't understand why.
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