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Pokerstars EPT - Tips going to the dealers or not? Pokerstars EPT - Tips going to the dealers or not?

08-01-2011 , 10:10 AM
The EPT has 3% going to dealers and staff out of the entry fees.

Tournament directions ask people who have a large cash, mainly the final table, if they want to tip the dealers an additional amount.

It seems as if any funds that these players then tip are not passed on to the dealers (EPT Germany for sure) and it is justified as contributing towards the wages of the staff.

Is the TD, who is the one suggesting the tip, pocketing the money?
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08-01-2011 , 10:12 AM
what are your proof for saying you know what happened in germany?
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08-01-2011 , 10:18 AM
Who cares? TD = staff, no?
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08-01-2011 , 10:47 AM
OP's topic is, are the tips going where intended? We don't need any more tip or not to tip threads so please don't derail.
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08-01-2011 , 01:53 PM
In my experience, they ask anyone who cashes period if they want to tip.
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08-01-2011 , 02:12 PM
It is not uniform across all EPTs that 3% is removed - some have 3% taken from the prize pool, some have 0% taken...as that is the case I would imagine that the 3% is not consistently distributed either, to some venues that 3% might to the floor only, and some it might go to both floor and dealers.
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08-01-2011 , 03:37 PM
lol at 3% going to floor, they work soooo hard.

If I saw that 3% already was TAKEN from me from prizepool for "dealers" when they asked me if I want to tip extra id say "No thanks you took 3% already, am I right?"
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08-01-2011 , 07:26 PM
I cashed in an EPT for close to 100k a few years ago (no brag intended), and when leaving the table was asked by Thomas Kremser how much I would like to leave as a tip for the dealers. I had no idea what would be appropriate so asked what he would expect. He said somewhere in the region of 5k (~7% of my cash) would be appropriate, and when I declined to donate that much he got pretty pissy with me.

Not sure what others experiences have been but I wasn't too impressed by that.
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08-01-2011 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by OutOut
I cashed in an EPT for close to 100k a few years ago (no brag intended), and when leaving the table was asked by Thomas Kremser how much I would like to leave as a tip for the dealers. I had no idea what would be appropriate so asked what he would expect. He said somewhere in the region of 5k (~7% of my cash) would be appropriate, and when I declined to donate that much he got pretty pissy with me.

Not sure what others experiences have been but I wasn't too impressed by that.
lol thats sooooo greasy id have just laughed and given $500 mayyybeee
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08-01-2011 , 10:29 PM
3% was taken out of EPT San Remo last year, but somehow despite my 4th place finish for €345k (def a barg), I wasn't asked to tip.

I bumped into one of the San Remo dealers there quite recently and he mentioned that Pagano Events, who supply the dealers for all the Stars events in Italy, regularly press-gang people into tipping more than the 3% already withheld, and not even giving any of that 3% to the staff. FYI 3-5% tips are standard but that figure goes down for big wins.
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08-01-2011 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by play4purple
It is not uniform across all EPTs that 3% is removed - some have 3% taken from the prize pool, some have 0% taken...as that is the case I would imagine that the 3% is not consistently distributed either, to some venues that 3% might to the floor only, and some it might go to both floor and dealers.
It would be dealers (floors only if they are not salary) pooled, and split on hours worked basis. At least that's how we did it. Canadian casinos.
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08-01-2011 , 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by OutOut
I cashed in an EPT for close to 100k a few years ago (no brag intended), and when leaving the table was asked by Thomas Kremser how much I would like to leave as a tip for the dealers. I had no idea what would be appropriate so asked what he would expect. He said somewhere in the region of 5k (~7% of my cash) would be appropriate, and when I declined to donate that much he got pretty pissy with me.

Not sure what others experiences have been but I wasn't too impressed by that.
If it was me, i would have put a 5€ bill in my mouth, chew it a little, and give it to him

And after that give like 300-500€ to the dealer maybe

Would that be appropriate mr Kremser ?
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08-02-2011 , 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by French ninja
If it was me, i would have put a 5€ bill in my mouth, chew it a little, and give it to him

And after that give like 300-500€ to the dealer maybe

Would that be appropriate mr Kremser ?
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Originally Posted by ThatsABingo
lol thats sooooo greasy id have just laughed and given $500 mayyybeee
Funnily enough I think I gave 500 Euros. Would have given more but he pissed me off with that, wasn't sure if I was being tight though
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08-02-2011 , 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by OutOut
I cashed in an EPT for close to 100k a few years ago (no brag intended), and when leaving the table was asked by Thomas Kremser how much I would like to leave as a tip for the dealers. I had no idea what would be appropriate so asked what he would expect. He said somewhere in the region of 5k (~7% of my cash) would be appropriate, and when I declined to donate that much he got pretty pissy with me.
Wow, if someone did that to me and then had the balls to got annoyed with me, I'd flip a quarter on the table and walk out.
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08-02-2011 , 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Beer
Wow, if someone did that to me and then had the balls to got annoyed with me, I'd flip a quarter on the table and walk out.
+1
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08-02-2011 , 10:24 AM
that sounds so disgusting to expect an additional tip , more than they already have.

would give the advice to not tip as it looks likely the cash isnt going to the advertised destination(dealers)
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08-02-2011 , 10:55 AM
i remeber when i made a ft on some side event..they almost obligate me to leave 3% tips like is a rule or something ...
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08-07-2011 , 04:15 PM
Just come back from Tallinn EPT and there were rumours about Kremser leaving because of prize pools being short in previous EPT events and that pokerstars had covered it up because it was around the same time as Black Friday...
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08-07-2011 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ThatsABingo
lol at 3% going to floor, they work soooo hard.

If I saw that 3% already was TAKEN from me from prizepool for "dealers" when they asked me if I want to tip extra id say "No thanks you took 3% already, am I right?"
hmmm. i spew money, since it has no intrinsic value to me. having worked in the service industry i laud those that tip over and above the min. (but i understand others' pov).

edit: judging how hard someone else works is an exercise in futility, until you have walked in their shoes.

Last edited by atthebottom77; 08-07-2011 at 05:15 PM. Reason: also: grunch
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08-07-2011 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by OutOut
I cashed in an EPT for close to 100k a few years ago (no brag intended), and when leaving the table was asked by Thomas Kremser how much I would like to leave as a tip for the dealers. I had no idea what would be appropriate so asked what he would expect. He said somewhere in the region of 5k (~7% of my cash) would be appropriate, and when I declined to donate that much he got pretty pissy with me.

Not sure what others experiences have been but I wasn't too impressed by that.
wow, that's BULL****, if this is true i'd never ever in a million years tip at an EPT. total scumbag stuff there, no one in poker tips 7% as a standard. not even 5%. ESPECIALLY when they take $ out already.
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08-07-2011 , 06:55 PM
i may be biased because ive always had terrible experiences with poker staffs, but there is absolutely no way i tip anyone running the tables in tournaments.

i dont see the point in tipping if there is a rake to enter a tourney. staff already has a wage for what they do (courtesy of you), and if they don't provide services well above par (which they seem to NEVER do) why pay them extra? in addition when someone ASKS for tips, thats so low on the part of the staff; they are basicaly trying to guilt trip players to give them money like beggars on the street.

staff just abuses the system and suckers people that have a big cash to tip absurd amounts, because they know these people are less likely to say no.

wp on your part outout!

ps, this is what comes to mind when i think casino poker staff..
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08-07-2011 , 07:00 PM
it would be nice if someone from pokerstars could clarify exactly what the story is here.
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08-07-2011 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by bertie_tapper.god.
I perused an article linked from Twitter.com today and immediately dismissed it as it suggested Thomas Kremser may have been involved in prize pool impropriety. After all he is a very respected member of the poker world and the top TD. I was so incensed that it fairly ruined my afternoon digestive period.
Because someone told you Thomas Kremser was honest? Why would you assume that?

I'm not sure if TK is or isn't honest, known him for a long time never seen him do anything too shady, but poker is a dirty business and many around him on the EPT are true scumbags.

Why don't you guys ask Warren Karp about Thomas Kremser and how the EPT works. He would definitely have a lot of good answers. He used to be partners with TK for some stuff way back. They had a falling out.
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08-07-2011 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by sirin
it would be nice if someone from pokerstars could clarify exactly what the story is here.
Why would pokerstars events clarify and give an honest answer? You do realize the Pokerstars has a separate entity owned by different people that run the EPT right? I would trust those involved in the EPT far less than I would pokerstars.com.

I can tell you the dealers pool and share tips and that money goes missing and those at the top of the pecking order get paid more equally than the other dealers. The dealers make minimum 17 euros an hour, sometimes if winners are generous they can clear 60 euros an hour for the trip.

I could lambaste the floormen and other supervisors involved with the EPT, but they are no better or worse than the guys working at Harrahs or any other casino. It's a dirty business.
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