It's nice to see the voice of reason rising like a phoenix from the ashes of entitlement and crybabyness exhibited in this thread.

All serious high stakes MTT grinders that I have consulted on this welcome the 'rake display' changes as its going to increase accessibility of the format for those newer to poker; I think that's something we can all agree is a great thing for poker. The only people left complaining at this point are your bog-standard conspiracy theorists and those bitter about not being able to win at poker - the latter being a group that will cry about anything.

Wow this is so misleading. Is this for real? So its actually a 960+140 euro MTT, with 15% rake, disguised as an MTT with 10% rake? Shokking if true. I wonder if there are no laws against advertising it in such a misleading matter.

Reminder that this is still the same guy who was acting like a paid shill in the chests thread: And any bored mod could check the IPs with Josem, that first line reads so damn awkward.

Also calling you out on being full of **** with contacting "serious high stakes MTT grinders" and them being fine with the changes. Direct them here if you can get them out of your head.

Also if you wanna seek out crybabies then maybe start with the people having a problem with others criticizing and speculating about the changes of a ****ing public company.

The following is the official response from Lee Jones, posted in their discord channel:

Needless to say, I disagree with their assessment of this. Basically, what they are arguing is that people are attentive enough to notice this and take an issue with it, but not attentive enough to figure out what it means. Which I think is illogical and patronizing.

I then wrote the following to them:

to which he replied:

I wonder who the people are that decide this if it's not Lee, but I guess what I'm asking is that we pressure them on making this happen.



This would be the perfect place to put it, as most "announcements" in there are pretty useless anyways.

inb4 stars starts deducting 4% from mtts to cover "servers maintenence costs", because apparently according to them "rake" is a measure of operator's net profit on a given event

Aaah, it's a "communication error", like the SNE rape. Nothing to worry about guys.

I can suggest a few ways:

(1) Show rake up front, don't bury it.

(2) Tell players how their play is linked to rakeback in the coffins.

(3) Email players when you make adverse changes to charges etc.

(4) Don't trash supernova etc rewards mid-year without warning them in advance.

(4) Replace the new corporate spin BS with higher integrity communications

Just to be clear, I don't know who that poster is, it obviously isn't me.

Throwing around baseless accusations of posting under some anonymous account at me is pretty douchey, especially because I'm probably the most open and transparent person in this thread by posting here under my own, real, uniquely-identifiable, name.

So they've gone with we've hidden the rake to increase transparency.

It's a bold move Cotton

Communication errors y'all, nut'n' to see hurr.

Yeah you need to tone it down a bit bro, they won't keep paying you if you make it so obvious

^

LOL this needs to get flamed HARD.

You guys all remember how good Stars has been the last couple years announcing their plans and changes right?!?!?!?!?

Was that information not already in the tournament structure tab? Perhaps in a different format?

This is just entirely indicative of the changes at pokerstars. Its all spin and lawyer talk. This isn't about helping new players understand the fees. Its about creating an environment where no one thinks or cares about fees.

Its a pain in the ass for players. I can't play on stars anymore, but if I could now I have to go hunt for the fee whenever I play a tournament format that I'm not familiar with.

"I am only saying that people shouldn't ascribe motivations or thoughts to people/organisations other than themselves."

Ummm ok.

Tell that to this *******. Writing about banks and their hidden fees. Why not simply ask the bank why they have those hidden fees, jerkface. You might get an answer that surprises you.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ave...ees-2013-08-08

Like, there's a 0 percent chance that if stars has a nefarious or machevelian reason for making the rake charge less apparent, they'll hide that under some fluffy PR response, so we should definitely await a response from stars and take it at face value.

stars used to be the top poker room hands down and everyone loved playing there, now they are just hated by all and keep losing costumers every now and then, i wish we all stopped playing there to teach them a lesson

I don't think 2+2 realizes how small of a customer base they are for Stars overall. Tons of people complain here, but overall, 2+2 isn't the customers that PStars wants. Them pissing you off more and more is actually a fairly good business move overall.

Giving this +1 but mostly just wanted to acknowledge how great "coffins" is . Hope this becomes the nomenclature.

Well the sad truth is that even in it's current state PS is far and away the best site to play on. They could probably go through another 2 years of player raping and still be the best site. That's how far ahead they are.

That suspicion was more meant to indicate what a strange way he chose to say that he agreed with someone and less as an indication of your character. I shouldn't have voiced that and I'm sorry.

Now, you may be the most transparent person posting here. You may also be the most knowledgeable about the inner workings of a poker site. In this case though, I think you are also the most biased. I don't think you are able to offer any real critique of pokerstars because they used to be your employer, your friends are the ones under fire here and in general, I don't think it's a good idea to badmouth your previous employer publicly if you wish to have the highest chance to get employed again.

From my POV - one of the most reputable and respectable companies I have ever had the pleasure to deal with is Pokerstars of ~2009 or whatever. Maybe you have a different perspective, since you had to deal with all the rigtards and whatnot but I would think most here agree. As far as I can see, people here are objective. You treat us well, we treat you well and put in a good word for you. You treat us bad, you get shots taken in NVG threads. I find PokerStars to be solely responsible for this us vs them mentality and it's pretty sad and annoying to see a previous employee not having any empathy for our side in this.

You seem to be under the impression that PokerStars gets undeservedly a bad rep here and people are being paranoid when they fear that rake might get increased in the near future. Is this correct?

What do you think about that Lee Jones statement? Do you think it's appropriate to not display the rake in the lobby in the first place? Do you think it's appropriate for him to congratulate himself on the communication PokerStars has taken with it's loyal customers in recent years?

Do you think it's reasonable for me to consider that SNEs of 2015 had money stolen from them and that "PokerStars were well within in their legal rights" is an unacceptable response to it?

Do you think people here are unfair toward Daniel Negreanu when they dismiss his opinion on anything regarding PokerStars because he gets a paycheck from them and tries to spin rake increases into positive things?

I think I'd be a very lucky person to have the same kind of credibility as the Josem-variety of person - I'll take it as a compliment. I'm equally flattered that you assume I'm a paid shill of 'Stars; as romantic as the idea sounds in your head, alas I'm just a poker player grounded in reality.

It might be surprising to you but myself and other certified poker crushers are always pleased when 'Stars makes the game more accessible for the casual gaming market. The fact that you can convince yourself to see a problem with 'Stars move to improve the clarity of the tournament fees (a GOOD thing) just shows how much of a grasping, nit picker you are.

Lee Jones nailed it when he compared 50 + 50 + 9 as being unnecessary and a relic from the past, when poker was less beginner-friendly, and I can only congratulate 'Stars for taking this bold step to improve the situation despite knowing the angry response they'd get from an overly-vocal minority of the community here on 2+2.

^ Still the same guy who believes increasing rake is a good thing.

Can someone set up a bot to always insta post after him? I suggest naming the gimmick account "certified poker crusher"

I suppose you have a graph to substantiate this claim.

If you aren't a shill for 'stars, you must be angling to become one. Otherwise you come off as a complete tool with a very unpopular opinion.

Barring PowerfulReg being Daniel himself it's clearly a troll account and you guys are feeding into it beautifully. The only thing that is "transparent" from Stars here is the inevitable rake increases to come.

PowerfulReg is PocketDucks/MottoTom/50 other troll accounts. He's playing a character for attention.

Oh, my bad.

Big fan of performance art, feels good to be able to contribute to it.