I think I speak for all editors when I say we are contemptuous of lazy sods like you.

I guess this is as appropriate a thread as I will find to add this tidbit. Have you seen PH, the douchebag, pathetically pimping his clothing line on PAD. Monday night he whipped out a book he is selling and got it involved in the conversation. Pathetic. Douchey. But really pathetic.

wow DN is fast approaching douche territory , Thanks again daniel for making Phil look better.

Maybe This will make you change your mind.

He never seizes to amaze me.

He makes a bad play. Rather than internalizing it and learning, he proceeds to make himself feel better by criticizing other peoples games.

Tell me this is the behavior of a well established poker pro. Give me a break. Kid needs to grow up and solve some of his insecurity issues.

They're having a bit of fun you serious idiots. PH has gave out a lot of crap in years gone by to other players he deserves it as LouKadeez has said.

He's a multi millionaire anyway, hardly going to kill him losing that pot.

Just watched it again. Can't get enough of the PH "douchebag loser face". Thanks Phil.

Yeah, I would have done/said the same thing, up to the BS PH spat about possibly being beat. Not a "slowroll" until then.

As annoying as Hellmuth could get, it definitely didn't seem like a slowroll. If the loose cannon was someone like durrr am sure Phil would've snap called. I'm not a Hellmuth fan at all, but the slowrolling allegations seemed a bit much.

Yea, it rivals the Robl/Antonius PLO hand for WOW's for sure...

Anyone calculating the odds for winning 3 out of 4?

I think last night they said his odds of winning 3 of 4 with the percentages running the way there was 1 in 549...

It wasn't that bad and he took his beat against Dwan very well in the next episode.

Is this wiggens guy a former nfl player or something? Seems like the ****ing man

he had about 0.43% to win at least 3 out of 4, so roughly 230 to 1
2,000 to 1 to win all 4

wow

watching the hand in context makes daniels behaviour even more disgusting

2 or 3 hands later, he loses with kk vs loose cannons J9o because he can´t pull the trigger on the river. doyle pokes fun at him and the oh so humorous daniel negreanu looks like somebody told him he has 10 days left to live ... and all off a sudden all that patronizing "you´re my best black friend" **** has come to an end ...

pot was about 1/10th of what hellmuth played for and daniel didn´t even put in 2k while ahead.

this game is so much fun and we should make fun of losers, right daniel?

How did you come up with this numbers?

I agree with those that say negreanu is a douchebag.

std binomial probability formula, actually was a math fail on my part - 3 or better out of 4 with 15% success rate each makes it about 1.2%, 4 out of 4 is 0.05%

Dealing out the hands without re-shuffling the deck should make the underdog less likely to win 3/4 than just multiplying binomial, right ?

For example, if the two Kings were his only outs, it would be impossible to win 3/4 without reshuffling but the binomial calculation would still give a non-zero result.

Correct, it only works for truly independent events, but I think adjusting the formula for every run would unnecessary complicate things in this case. If someone has a lot of time on their hands they're more then welcome to.

The hand in question is where Helmuth 3bets A9o into Doyle and Tony G and Wiggins calls with KK as does Tony and Doyle.

Flop comes out 9T9, Helmuth bets 17k, Wiggins raises to 37K, Helmuth then tanks and starts to talk about how sick the situation is, asks if Wiggins has AA or KK, and how he has no choice but to go all in then shoves for about 40k more effective.

Wiggins snap calls and tables kings like its the eternal nuts, helmuth says 'I have 3 nines' and almost everyone accuses him of slowrolling. They then run it 4 times, Phil somehow losses 3 of the 4, and then DN and some others needle him relentlessly.

Here is the hand: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ1ot8Fhy5M

Now I usually enjoy when people needle Phil as he often deserves it, but this time he did not deserve it!. Let me explain why.

1. It was not a slowroll! He flipped over his A9 with very little delay once the chips were in the middle and Wiggin flipped his KK.

2. Phil was actually concerned that Wiggins had TT. We all know this is ridiculous but that is now how Phil thinks, he had not malicious intention he just needed some time to realize he needed to put the $$ in.

3. He didn't take all that much time, I've seen durrr take longer to fold preflop in the SB.

4. Even if he KNEW he was ahead and he KNEW he was gonna put the money in, it is a legitimate tactic to talk your opponent into calling the shove even when you know he's probably going to do it anyways. You may as well turn a 93% going to call into a 100% going to call, it's more +EV and a legit move. Wiggins was playing nitty and who knows maybe he can fold here.

I felt pretty bad for him and honestly I think DN was being a douche by needling him during the WHOLE HAND after the cards were face up. It didn't stop when he lost 3/4 times which you know sucks and of course little DN loves to rub it in on Phil.

I know this is long but it was really unfair how they treated him and Phil I hope you read this and know at least some people know how badly you were treated and you didn't deserve it.

it is TV. I highly doubt (hope) that kind of behaviour by DN at al. would occur at a random poker table even to PH. But yeah I did feel kind of bad for philly boy even though I am not a fan

Sorry I didn't watch the preview and I was very outraged when I saw this a few minutes ago and had to post. I wouldn't mind some serious replies before my thread is locked (ty to above post)

This is from last week, and it took a while to get to the point, but some reaction to the hand in question:

http://www.pokerstatic.com/poker-dir...-the-big-game/

Tony G needles the hell outta Phil near the end of episode 3.

http://thebiggame.pokerstars.net/episodes/