This is exactly the kind of issue that will stop recreational players from playing. I don't play HUSNG but can easily see this software being used in MTTs to some level and as a rec player it just means that I am going to stop playing.

All that then happens is the reg pool eats itself and the money goes round in circles until the only one with any left is the site itself.

I am firmly in the camp of ban all software and aids to be used at any time during play, take the game back to person vs. person not person vs. person + software.

Basically we have some guys who were not even crushers @ lower stakes suddenly crushing 200s division. We have also a guy saying he doesn`t use automatic soft crushing 1ks+ with a history of posting here in topics about bots and programming. Not suspicious at all...

Also all guys discussing if for example PT4 should be banned- GTFO. Comparing playing trackers gathering statistics which allows to develop your game with YOUR OWN work and are generally avalaible to this **** is crazy. It`s not multitablers fault that you`re losers. We are discussing here a future of HUs (as well as other games in wider perspective) which will be dead if PS doen`t do anything about that so leave your tears and frustration somewhere else.

Lol like it has anything to do with that. Most of regs are in divisions now, cartels weren`t created by programmers using bots so don`t pretend to be dumber than you are.

147_star, well said man.

this...

If and when online ever comes back to U.S., I would not spend any meaningful time or money playing.

As a rec player I don't want to spend the time and effort to utilize all the tools but understand playing against them means I have no hope of winning.

whats in OP is new category of software aid, but regarding existing tools...

Bodog anonymous table model is the best solution imo and that I would play. I am surprised one of the larger sites have not offered it as an option. would be very interested to see effect on ecosystem. Likely good for recs and good for the the site and thus bad for the grinders. zero sum game poker is !

yep - pretty outrageous how cartel/division members force people to prove themselves which means that crappy regs can't bum hunt. what a joke. let's look to heads up cash to see how it's done.

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ChicagoRy is attacking this software? If so seems a bit hypocritical given he was helping promote that piece of **** spin n go bumhunting software the last time I looked (which stars, in their infinite wisdom, also allow)

This is the exact reason amateurs and casual players have been distancing themselves from online poker. To get casual players back we need to make poker less automated not more, it will help the poker economy in the long run. But I am afraid we have reached a point of no return, the general consensus is that online poker is rigged and has bots, and this only encourages that notion.

LOL at all the regs in here complaining about a software which aids play. At the end of the day you all rely on some piece of software to make decisions = possibly making you a winning/breakeven pre RB player.

So where do we go from here? Well that’s easy IMHO, we either (a) All come together and petition for the banning of all poker aids. (b) Leave Stars and join a network which doesn’t allow HUD’s, simples!

We’ll then see how good all of you regs really are!!

By bumhunting software do you mean the software that prevents regs who use the software playing against each other? If so, it's not bumhunting software at all.

Hi how do i get in contact with skier

/name handle software

you think bots are unethical, but a small group of players owning the lobby with their own bumhunting software is fine? it's almost impossible to get action at husngs if you're not part of a little club, how's that fair?

wow so some of you guys actually thinks it is exactly the same thing to use a HUD and have a bot make every descion for you? How can you not get it, the only damn difference between this program and a bot is that a human is clicking the buttons instead of the software period.

So Pokerstars if any of your reps are reading this is it ok to use Bots as long as it's a human being clicking the buttons instead of the actual program?

I did not understand, this program works in real time and it was allowed to PokerStars?

HUSNG divisions aren't a little club, they are a bunch of players who have earned their right to be in a division by playing winning poker against division members for at least 4,000 tournaments.
Part of being in a division means that you are a potential target if you are perceived as weak and if you get sat, you need to offer 2 tables for at least 30 mintutes (and if you offer only 2 tables for only 30 minutes too often, you can be seen as weak). So over time, the best players make it in, the weaker players get kicked out. That's why there has been huge turnover over the last 12 months ie > 50%

So the best players get to make the most money because of their proven skill over a statistically sound sample.

Doesn't really seem comparable to a bot.

+1000

Was going to post exactly the same. You can't get a lobby without sharky, you can't play a rec unless you're in the cartel and now you're at a disadvantage unless you have this or similar software. The whole thing is a joke and Ryan is just mad because it's one thing he hasn't managed to buy and promote the **** out of on his sponsored forum.

glad i spent the time posting and explaining how it actually works

I'm worried about this being so public and letting people post whatever they want in a matter they clearly don't understand/ aren't involved.

The danger to the HUSNG/Spins format is so imminent that I think some respectable players should come up with a long and full statement explaining the reasons as to why this is so bad, "discussing" about divisions is not the way to go in this case, it will only make the thread deviate from it's subject.

Didn't mean to make an offensive reply, I just believe that this matter should be left for those who know what they are talking about.

Are you involved then, or know what you're talking about? Cause from a rec/fish looking in, all this does is make me never want to play a headsup sng ever again..

What you say is fair enough, doesn't need further explanation, different from a reg/semi-reg speaking of something like he's the owner of the truth when in fact doesn't know what he's talking about and only does harm to a discussion that is intended to generate something meaningful.

Very true only way to save online poker is anonymous tables

Poker is becoming an arms race to develop the best piece of software. I'd expect now this is out in the open and if it is what people say it is how much longer before a commercial piece of software like this becomes available? Pokerstars TOS has never been so important... As with careful reading maybe further areas of grey can be exploited...

I can't see a single post in this thread that reads something along the lines of those two things being the same.

What I can find are people who think that all software that produces any outputs in real time should be disallowed, including HUDs.

this, or at the very least frequent handle changes

absolutely. i've not played a hand in six months and don't miss it one bit, have no desire to return unless stars get their act together which seems highly unlikely

somewhat true, the state of HU was hilarious, although if they're allowing this sort of thing for HU then it surely will progress to other forms in due course

true

would have zero issues with this. stars does this and i reload

Don`t be suprised bud- every topic is good for losing players who can`t use stats to post their whining.

So a few $200s regs managed to solve poker in around 3 months and PHd students and advisors who have been working on this for years have not. What are they teaching kids in school these days?