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Pokerstars ' Active waiting lists' to combat bumhunting? Pokerstars ' Active waiting lists' to combat bumhunting?

09-29-2020 , 05:59 PM
I just join the waiting list, join the obligatory table and sit out there until i get the notification

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09-29-2020 , 10:26 PM
this is way better than the current system
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09-29-2020 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by GSV
I just join the waiting list, join the obligatory table and sit out there until i get the notification

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Going to be sitting out quite awhile since it says if you are sitting out on the waitlist table you will not be part of the draw to move to the next table
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09-30-2020 , 03:14 AM
So worth keeping in mind that in ES/FR/PT, IT and IN, PokerStars uses the blind lobby "Seat Me" system - no seat selection, no table selection, no wait lists (like how Unibet and RIO does it)

So this (which must have taken quite a lot of effort to implement) is somewhere in the middle. Reduce the so-called "predatory" behavior, still allow table selection. Suggests to me they don't want to enable Seat Me globally - they're trying this out as a middle ground.

So to people saying that PokerStars hates regs etc - keep in mind that they could have gone full Blind Lobby. Instead they've opted for this, which still allows table/seat selection.

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Don't see how this will have much effect on lower stakes. Regs will just join one random table and tank every decision while spam joining a million waiting lists. As soon a seat at any of the good tables opens, they'll insta leave the first table.
It is not clear in the blog post, but I had it clarified: You have to be active on one "linked" table for every wait list you want to be on. Want to join 3 wait lists? That's three tables that need to be active.

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are the "waiting tables" hidden from the lobby?

edit: nvm, turns out these tables look like any other table in the lobby and are free for any player to join.
Right - it's best to think about this not as "waiting tables" but just "active tables." If you want to be on 1 wait list, you need to be active on 1 (same game, same stakes) table. 2 wait lists, 2 tables.

When you try and join a wait list, if you are already playing on another table, this one will be your "linked" active table. This means you can table select your "linked" waiting table If you're not, then the lobby will offer to seat you automatically on another table so you can join the wait list. But this is optional - you can still pick your own.

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Originally Posted by Slugant
what if the 'waiting table' is your 5th table (so you cannoy play it)? You are kicked of the waiting list because you couldnt play the 5th table that you didnt want in the first place??
When you get your seat, you are prompted to either leave or stay at your "linked" table.

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Originally Posted by Rakkazzar
When will this be implemented?
It was live for me yesterday in the UK and micros when I tested it. I was told it was live on all dot-com markets, but not all stakes yet.

I saw some bugs in the implementation yesterday. So possibly they paused the roll out while the ironed out the kinks.

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Originally Posted by Slugant
i will expect tremendous amount of players sitting out and tables breaking way too fast. guess i'll turn auto-post blinds off now, first session was crap
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Originally Posted by GSV
I just join the waiting list, join the obligatory table and sit out there until i get the notification
As noted, if you sit out, you'll never win a table draw for a free seat, unless you're the only one on the table.


Also, the longer you are active on the table, the more likely you are to win the seat draw. So it not just requires active playing, but it rewards playing for a long time. It is not a first-come, first-serve system.

Last edited by Hood; 09-30-2020 at 03:21 AM.
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09-30-2020 , 04:10 AM
I dont care what they do about that. The main issue remains the same. Give 40% RB to grinders playing 40k hands + a month. Its all this greed that will destroy poker.
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09-30-2020 , 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Hood
It is not clear in the blog post, but I had it clarified: You have to be active on one "linked" table for every wait list you want to be on. Want to join 3 wait lists? That's three tables that need to be active.

Right - it's best to think about this not as "waiting tables" but just "active tables." If you want to be on 1 wait list, you need to be active on 1 (same game, same stakes) table. 2 wait lists, 2 tables.

When you try and join a wait list, if you are already playing on another table, this one will be your "linked" active table. This means you can table select your "linked" waiting table If you're not, then the lobby will offer to seat you automatically on another table so you can join the wait list. But this is optional - you can still pick your own.



When you get your seat, you are prompted to either leave or stay at your "linked" table.



It was live for me yesterday in the UK and micros when I tested it. I was told it was live on all dot-com markets, but not all stakes yet.

I saw some bugs in the implementation yesterday. So possibly they paused the roll out while the ironed out the kinks.
msnl is a somewhat good place atm in terms of all regs knowing what to do. You dont open a new table unless the current table with table starters has filled already. I can just imagine a bunch of people opening a new table when the other one hasnt filled yet just so they can waitlist on another table. so diluting the chance of the original table starters to get a rec to join.

sounds annoying

just tried it at 10nl. (for 2 seconds so might be wrong) it makes me sit as a 6th choice on a table? even if all regs? wtf is this ****. so getting punished if youre a table starter as the last slot on the table will always go towards a reg on waitlist for another table and not a potential rec joining.


i cant see how this is good for anyone but pokerstars.

- Tables still fill just as a fast and recs busting just as fast.
- those who click fastest and are closest to servers still get on the original table quicker than those that dont
- now more 6handed regtables which nobody is winning at but pokerstars.
- diluting table starting regs chance of getting a rectable and missing a bunch due to 4max table cap.
- if im a reg and dont click on a waitlist on a table, but im a table starter, ive just got fkd. We should be getting rewards for table starting, not punished. yet again.


i feel like this is just going to encourage everyone to quickly open table, leave new table, open new table, leave old table, open new table. As seats getting filled with regs and no recs can join due to seats are now blocked. i could be talking **** here.

Last edited by AV0995; 09-30-2020 at 04:37 AM.
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09-30-2020 , 06:15 AM
Agree with above post. This has the potential to be a real shitshow, lets see what happens...
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09-30-2020 , 07:58 AM
also agree with av0995 & deathorglory

the lobby was perfectly fine (mostly 50nl player here, why try to destroy it?)
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09-30-2020 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Hood
So worth keeping in mind that in ES/FR/PT, IT and IN, PokerStars uses the blind lobby "Seat Me" system - no seat selection, no table selection, no wait lists (like how Unibet and RIO does it)

So this (which must have taken quite a lot of effort to implement) is somewhere in the middle. Reduce the so-called "predatory" behavior, still allow table selection. Suggests to me they don't want to enable Seat Me globally - they're trying this out as a middle ground.

So to people saying that PokerStars hates regs etc - keep in mind that they could have gone full Blind Lobby. Instead they've opted for this, which still allows table/seat selection.
I can see this newer system being better at higher stakes than the Seat Me feature. But at lower stakes I think this will probably be worse.

Either way Seat Me at FRESPT has been a failure for the regular games. There are much less tables running at midstakes, and at lower stakes zoom reigns supreme when before it was more well distributed between both, though I don't remember how long a time there was with zoom and reg tables still with table selection like there was previously.

Let's hope this isn't a change that kills some of the action. Like limiting shortstacks, no rakeback, no massmultitabling. In theory they could be good but in reality if there are less tables running, less weak regs and recreationals want to join the games. It's the opposite of snowball effect.
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09-30-2020 , 10:51 AM
I decided to give Zoom a go this month so had not looked at the regular tables. Not sure what you mean by this I can still go 50NL Full Ring and go on separate table waiting lists?
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09-30-2020 , 12:04 PM
I think it's a great move. Will benefit the highstakes games. Makes the seating / waiting more fair + creates more action, since we will now have to start another table while waiting for a seat. When a recreational player checks the lobby, now they are more likely to see and jump into a 4-5 handed game with a seat open.
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09-30-2020 , 01:26 PM
thoughts after playing one session

1. You start a table and WL on another, fish joins table you started. You are then offered seat on WL table and have to choose between the two. How is this fair? You should be able to toggle which table you need to leave or be able to start a new table.

2. If noone takes the WL for whatever reason (see above) the seat is empty and for the taking for anyone who wasn't starting games at all (scripters or the much hated "bumhunter").

3. If you want to start new but noone will play then you can't WL a table
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09-30-2020 , 01:37 PM
sounds **** ^ and pointless

it doesnt even sit you evenly/fairly when joining new table lol
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09-30-2020 , 04:57 PM


I have no ***** clue how it works yet ngl lol
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09-30-2020 , 04:58 PM
its just plain ****, again
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09-30-2020 , 05:13 PM
If im understanding correctly wtf is the reward for starting a new table to join a waitlist if you are taken off that table when seats available / have to choose to stay or join new table? If both tables are good you don't get to play both?

And if you decline your w/l seat the first table becomes 5 handed and no one can sit to take that seat (says reserved) until player 5 leaves then it goes back to a normal table?
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09-30-2020 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TreadLightly
And if you decline your w/l seat the first table becomes 5 handed and no one can sit to take that seat (says reserved) until player 5 leaves then it goes back to a normal table?
I assume it gets offered up to anyone else on the list.
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09-30-2020 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by TreadLightly
If im understanding correctly wtf is the reward for starting a new table to join a waitlist if you are taken off that table when seats available / have to choose to stay or join new table? If both tables are good you don't get to play both?

And if you decline your w/l seat the first table becomes 5 handed and no one can sit to take that seat (says reserved) until player 5 leaves then it goes back to a normal table?
Youre not taken off the first table. You can choose stay and play both tables. You can stay and play both tables, or leave the first table and play one table.


The games are great, a lot of fish at Nl25 and 50, but the tables are buggy, a lot of tables with 5 players and reserved sit for hours i play on 2 tables who have a reserved seat for more than 30 minutes.
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09-30-2020 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by itaba
Youre not taken off the first table. You can choose stay and play both tables. You can stay and play both tables, or leave the first table and play one table.


The games are great, a lot of fish at Nl25 and 50, but the tables are buggy, a lot of tables with 5 players and reserved sit for hours i play on 2 tables who have a reserved seat for more than 30 minutes.
500nl seems fairly dead still , but unsurprising this update won't change much




Ya was confusion on whoever gave me info before, seems u can click yes - remain seated at table and play both
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09-30-2020 , 11:11 PM
Nothing I love more than trying to sit on a full table and instead Im getting shipped on a dead table! so nice!
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09-30-2020 , 11:41 PM
The same 6 players at every (4) tables?
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10-01-2020 , 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by AV0995
i cant see how this is good for anyone but pokerstars.
sum up well all their changes for the last 5 years
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10-01-2020 , 02:45 AM
Hate this system, how can one player reserve seat for like 40minutes? https://gyazo.com/eef6f2341970f6de3c8080cb9ee70e3c
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10-01-2020 , 02:48 AM
And why I have to leave my current open table in middle of hand to open the new waiting list table? What is this ****?
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10-01-2020 , 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by deathorglory0
1. You start a table and WL on another, fish joins table you started. You are then offered seat on WL table and have to choose between the two. How is this fair? You should be able to toggle which table you need to leave or be able to start a new table.
I was wrong about this, I must have been at table cap.
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