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You may have noticed that we recently updated HM Cloud Beta by adding PokerSnowie feedback on hands that you potentially misplayed.

Learn more about Snowie for HM Cloud and see how we have integrated PokerSnowie feedback HERE.

We hope that you will take some time to import new hands and test drive this new functionality. We look forward to any feedback you might have.

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The HM Cloud Team

is this pokersnowie program any good ?

This is great news. Learn to value bet less and hero call the nuts more often!

Pretty awful news, thankfully it isn't too helpful yet, but it and things like it will be, and online poker will be done for.

Online NLH only. Which might be a good thing.

Time to move to PLO guys! NLHE is dead.

Even more reason for stars to implement anon tables.

This is so bad. Fortunately I change from playing NLH as my main game last year.

Pertaining to Snowie, sure. Very complex sims are being run on PLO as we speak, the people that seem to think efficiency is currently not possible for PLO analytics would probably be shocked at what is already being done and utilized. I'd say it's however many years further back before it leaks into the mainstream to enough of a degree and breaches a certain threshold, but it's definitely next. Not necessarily via Snowie and Co., but Snowie is far from the only leviathan. If any of the other limit games get popular enough, they will be devoured as well.

An intelligent individual I know put it well when he said, "its sad but at the same time, the game has only ever been moving towards solved, was only ever going to end this way." Making tables anonymous doesn't change anything. There is no counterplay. People moan and whine but these are still the golden years (with 7 years ago being Platinum or Diamond or LASER), enjoy them while they are here.

Live poker will not die within our lifetime most likely (obv), but 1) lol live 2) I wouldn't be surprised to see some awesome Google contact lens/nanotech huds for regs in the future even for that, clearly a while before that happens but REMEMBER THIS POST WHEN IT DOES

i feel like whoever is behind pokersnowie is some nerd who was mad he couldnt figure out how to win at poker so he just went all out programming in his moms basement until online poker was ****ed

Not thinking PLO either.

the sims in plo are the same as the nlhe ones, only hands have to be bucketed into categories

i dont think snowie being in hm really matters, to get the most out of these things one has to work very hard. Which is beyond most, especailly recs

I would presume that a high percentage of recs don't even know what poker snowie is and having the software implemented into HM will only make life easier for the regs.

Yeah, fun players will still be beatable because they won't use the software, and while tough games will get even tougher, I'm skeptical of the claims that "this is the end of online poker." Other variations can always take over. Or deeper stacked versions of current variations. Or both.

deep stacked anything will never take off. People by default are risk adverse

At least there is no dreammachine for nlh yet unlike plo. Whew!

[spoiler]kind rgds from teh TimStone[/spoiler]

PLO and other games wont be far behind

all games played online for $ will be obsolete soon

I am worried that we got all these personal hand histories, not datamine where you only see showdowns mind you, uploaded to a cloud hooked up with a BOT! Sky is falling gentlemen, pokersnowie is gonna bust us all

is that why u seem so mad now?

i really hopes this craks something on pokerstars heads and they go anonym tables once for all

^ Anon tables maximise the advantage a non-adaptive GTO bot has over other players.

i wonder how long it would take snowie to learn a new structure like ante only, or maybe something more bizarre that pokerstars would be happy to spread

im doing fine...do u work at snowie or something?

this, with anon tables/no hud/no whatever you think gives your opponents advantage player with built in snowie would crush even more

anyway, afaik it won't be live, right? stars dont allow any in-game real time advice software. If so, this is not a problem - most bad regs won't be able to adapt by post-game analysis, and most good regs probably beat the player pool with winrate bigger than perfect gto would have (i know this sounds absurd, but im pretty sure it's true because of perfect exploitation of recreational players).

Oh another "this will be the end of NLHE" thread. We havent had that in a long while.

Isn't it more like anon tables minimise the advantage adaptive (exploitative) players have against weak oppo? Wouldn't a GTO bot win less on an anon table than a regular table as regular players would be forced to play less exploitatively on an anon table (and thus deviate less from GTO themselves)?

In any case, whilst this isn't a major development in itself since players could presumably access snowie already, players and sites should do everything they can to slow down the march of destruction of the game. If NLH is killed most recs are not going to learn other variants. Stars, in their own interest, should do something to stop HUDs or limit their impact (eg periodic sn changes, anon tables, preventing hand capture etc)? This becomes more urgent as more features like this are added to HM etc.