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Originally Posted by IMDABES
I'm not sure Limon was "ahead of the curve" on any of these things, a lot of people have said all of these things around here for as long as I can remember. I could go through each example but to think that in each case the majority of the community here thought so different than what your saying Limon thought seems flat out untrue.
If the majority agreed with him, they must have been a silent majority or a minority. Here's a post he made in 2009 about cheating before several of the string of cheating scandals broke and there was always someone around to either disagree with it or downplay the possibilities:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...8/#post4934729
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Originally Posted by IMDABES
As far as the $500/hr thing, I dont get the chance to play a lot of live so I'm not sure how crazy that claim is, or if many around here made it. I'd imagine the truth is online cash game pros think they would murder most mid stakes live games after some experience, and to me it's completely obvious that they're right. Laziness, proximity to good live games, better things to do, and not being able to handle the tedium and slowness of games are probably the reasons online poker players haven't came to take over, that is if they haven't already and you're in denial about that too.
You pretty much answered the question and proved why Limon was right about this as well. Online players generally DON'T transition to live because they can't handle or choose not to handle the obstacles that it takes to be successful live: only playing 30 hands an hour, driving to the casino, making the social adjustments, etc.
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Originally Posted by IMDABES
Lets compare, how many online taught players have went on to crush live? How many primarily live players crush online?
Well, there probably haven't been many live players making claims that they can play online and crush like there have been online players who claim they can crush live. Limon talked about that in one of his podcasts with Bart. The gist of it was he said, "why would I worry about something that's not going to happen?" He doesn't worry about beating Jungleman headsup online because it's not going to happen. Limon has always claimed to be the best player in HIS game and from what I've gathered, there's ALWAYS a seat available or at least a list where players can play him if they think they are better. Limon and most good players just worry about being the best in the games they care about.
In general, for the same stakes, online play IS much harder than live because, as Limon pointed out many years ago and the first to point it out so far as I can tell, the good players can multiply and the fish don't stand a chance. In live play, the sharks get ONE seat at ONE table. The fish still lose, but it's not as brutal. Because online is more "difficult" at the same stakes, online players have a chip on their shoulders. But, at the end of the day, good live players have put in the time and mastered the skills to be successful at their game. Online players may or may not have the skillset to ALSO be successful but unless a player plans to make the transition, it's just speculation. If such a player doesn't want to put in the time to be successful, then they can't take the easy way out and say "well, I could be a good live player, I just don't like playing one table for 30 hands an hour". THAT is part of being successful live. If you can't do that, you're not a good live player.