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Originally Posted by bgy333
how dare the cheating scumbag POS Bonomo say anything about anyone ever, he's a cheating thieving lying scumbag that shouldn't even be allowed to comment about anything, the thief.
the POS scumbag theif, at least Marley pretends to go "working" for a steak, and didn't just steal from other poker players like that scumbag did
I don't think this way, and I was around during the time when the 'ZeeJustin' scandal hit. I used to be part of a small group of SNG low stakes fanboy scrub-grinders who read Justin's blogs in 2005/2006.
Justin made some serious mistakes at a time when he was very young and adapting to success that so many poker players (regardless of age) weren't exactly ready for following the Moneymaker & WPT hype and subsequent poker boom.
It's true he was highly inconsiderate of how his multi-accounting actions would impact the community at the time, but:
(a) he
was penalized monetarily for it,
(b) the PartyPoker bug that enabled Justin's MA activities on that site should have been identified and fixed way before it became a high profile issue,
(c) it's been over a decade since that happened,
(d) Justin had sufficient social acceptance within the poker world along with skill-based acceptance from his peers to become a sponsored pro for Bodog before BF,
(e) he has remained active within the community instead of shunning it, even when a critical mass disagreed with something he did,
(f) he once got a pseudo-morality rejection from Lee Jones when Justin was trying to get reinstated on Stars post-scandal,
(g) although negative/antagonistic social pressure can be a useful tool when it comes to deterrent-based rhetoric, there also should come a point when the aggregate social negativity hurled toward someone is weighed against purported mistakes.
With all that said, everyone of course is entitled to their opinion. But if you're wondering whether the 'ZeeJustin' saga ever received its share of attention, it did... over ten years ago.
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As far as the disagreements between Marle Cordeiro and Kelly Minkin are concerned (or Marle Cordeiro's YouTube content), I'm interested in hearing what other women in poker have to say about it. I'm a fan of their talent and hope they can successfully maneuver the environment they currently find themselves in.
The general negativity among poker personalities that the OP is referring to is, at least in part, due to industry pressures created by regulatory bodies and poker operators. It's unfortunate how the irresponsibility/incompetence of some governments and high-level industry shot callers have ransacked so much goodwill in the poker world, but that happens just about every time corporate 'suits' grab the reins of any business sector, or when any one individual/company gains a monopolistic position.
That's not to say there aren't scenarios when industry-facing interests have no involvement in a dispute, and I think Marle Conderiro's content and her disagreements with Kelly Minkin are in that category. So I hope more women in poker will provide feedback and advise on how these issues should be debated/resolved.
Either way, much of the outreach provided by poker personalities is free of charge, can be viewed at one's convenience, and there are many options to choose from -- for those with discerning tastes. OP should just stick to Marle's videos if no one else is up to snuff.