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Originally Posted by WotRTheChances
I would like to discuss my case.
I am one of the players that has been linked to this ‘community of players’ it has been determined have been colluding (or whatever it is that’s been found). My accounts have been frozen and I’ve had roughly £25,000 seized.
The most frustrating part of this for me is that not only do I not know the screen-names of any of those accused in this fiasco, but I don’t even play the same stakes as any of the other players in this ‘community’ as far as I’m aware. It doesn’t take a lot of investigating to determine that it’s not even possible for me to be involved in any of the alleged actions.
There is certainly a chance that funds pass between accounts of those under investigation (I do not directly handle funds on the site), but I have no shared action with any of these players or financial ties with them. I’d also throw in that I’ve never used a HUD or any other assisting software while playing on the site, not that that appears to be the main issue.
Furthermore I’d like to say that although it’s been made out that these players have somehow systematically hunted down and scammed this recreational player out of 200k, let it be noted that these players were playing the highest stakes that run on the site, where traffic is minimal. It’s not unreasonable that these players all noticed when this player was online and all made sure they got a seat at his table wherever possible, also this doesn’t break any rules. It’s also not surprising he lost 200k playing 200/400 ante games where he was cold-calling all 3/4 bets with literally ATC from what I’ve been told.
As I said, I don’t have ties with these guys, don’t know their accounts and haven’t spoken to them, so I can’t possibly comment on their play. I would say i’d be shocked if those I know did something stupid like colluding, they’ve always gone hard against eachother any time I’ve played with them in the past (live) and it’s just not in their nature.
Finally I’ve been given no evidence of any wrongdoing on the app. Seems absurd to me I can have such an amount seized for doing nothing wrong and having absolutely no meaningful ties to those accused of foul play on the site
Just to make this explicit - the community wasn't shut down as a unit through guilt by association. There is evidence directly from members of the community and from data gathered on the platform that links these accounts together. Every account in the community was linked via irrefutable evidence.
Curious about a few things:
1) You clearly seem to know players very well (down to play style) but claim not to know their screen names.
2) You're mentioning something about transfers and funds passing between accounts but having no financial ties to them.
3) You say you play different stakes but seem to be very familiar with the player that was colluded against playing 25/50+.
4) Also, you said you had 25K seized - if you're playing very different stakes (implying you play lower stakes) as you claim, why do you have $25K on the site?
As one poster pointed out, I am unapologetic about security and keeping games safe. If you knew what I know about other Chinese sites, you would never play on them. The number of players that have been cheated, scammed, colluded against (not to mention bots) would shock you.
I do want to apologize for the poor communication - Poker King was not set up to handle communication directly with players outside of China. That responsibility was explicitly given to agents who the company signed up to promote the overseas players. No excuses though. We signed up the agents and if they failed to deliver then we failed.
This thread is turning into a psuedo appeals discussion which it was never meant to be. I have faith that by doing the right thing, the success of the site will take care of itself. Having a safe, secure place to play with an extremely soft player pool is a privilege, not a right. If you disagree with our practices, you are more than welcome to play elsewhere.
Moving forward, I'll give general updates but will no longer address individual accounts.