Hello, Does anyone have any information on the location of the Poker King office? I know that it is in Manila, I will be there next week.
I could meet someone from their team and show my game live.
If it is possible to contact someone from their company, let me know please
After further investigation we have decided to unlock your account for withdraw only. Please allow some time for account processing. PKW is no longer serving players from your region. Any attempt to register accounts will result in forfeiture of funds.
I decided to write this post, because PKA began to unfreeze my friends and return them money, but my emails still ignored. Probably because of heavy workload of support.
My name is Ruslan. I've been playing poker for about 10 years. I'm playing high/mid stakes on PokerStars, Party, 888 and other sites. Also I played on PokerMaster heads up (did not try 8+max a lot because of threat of teamplay), until the bots completely captured this site. When it became impossible to avoid playing with bots, I tried to fight them with their methods using software (it was not prohibited and PokerMaster did not ban any of known bots), but ended up losing even more.
After this "adventure" I found PKA. My friends said that there was almost no teamplay, because PKA keeps order. Also there were a lot of shortdeck action and I started to study it. On highstakes were possible to play only on iOS device. I bought 2 ipads and iphone and started to grind.
"Your account is an overseas problem account, we will check all your card records, and if there is no problem, you will take the initiative to release the title."
" The security team has found evidence of collusion in the stated accounts."
" The analysis of your game play fits a profile that shows evidence of use of 3rd party software or decision making tools. "
My agent advised me to complete a form with an indication of all details of my game at PKA.
Here is this message.
Spoiler:
1. I attached photo of passport - 001.
In September-October I played from Russia. In November 2018 to March 2019 I played from vacation in Vietnam. I attached my visas for Vietnam - 002 and 003.
I made deposites and withdraws by Skrill. Agent take 7% of profit to cover costs. I found him on site ***
4. Financial Information:
I did not have any relationships with other players on Poker King. I have not any backing or swap.
5. Technical Information:
I used to play 4 IOS devices: 2 iphones, ipad 2 and ipad mini. I did not use any 3rd party software (HUD, minion, scripsts). It was impossible because I played short deck from an IOS devices.
6. Please list any other relevant information that you think can help create clarity for the accusation related to your appeal:
The number of players at high stakes short deck is rather small, so I could often cross with all other players. I did not ever take part in any collusion (adjusted strategy (deviation), softplay or shared bankroll). Moreover, it is very difficult in HU or 4max.
Only an idiot could keep such large sums of money on the accounts, with out cash outs and violating the rules.
I play on every big sites (PokerStars, PartyPoker & etc) more than 10 years.
My cash statistics on PokerStars: https://statname.net/players/1482339?
Answer was:
Spoiler:
The security team has found evidence of collusion in the stated accounts.
Collusion is a violation of the TOS and strictly prohibited. Evidence includes examples of card sharing, team adjusted strategy (deviation), softplay, and shared bankroll. Violation of this rule results in account closure and forfeiture of funds.
I did not ever take part in any collusion (adjusted strategy (deviation), softplay or shared bankroll) or use any software (even HUD). I played on iOS devices. But after this answer PKA support ignoring my messages. I'm playing on Pokerstars up to $50/$100 stakes now, you can check my statistics here: https://statname.net/ru/players/1529189?date=0. I'm real person that played bunch of hands on many sites.
I'm ready to record a live session of my game with webcam or send any screenshots that may be needed. I hope communication problems are because of heavy workload of support. I hope this post will attract attention and we will solve this problem.
When it became impossible to avoid playing with bots, I tried to fight them with their methods using software (it was not prohibited and PokerMaster did not ban any of known bots),
Why does pokerking have regional bans? If some regions are more prone to bots and cheating, why not keep letting them play and use that as an indicator for their fraud department? If a bot or cheating ring was truly profitable, they'd simply set up overseas machines with android emulators that they would RDP into (which is absolutely undetectable), banning a country is just a filter for bad cheaters which only leaves the good ones.
On a poker app review site they speculated that PKC was just going after winning players to remove them from the player pool. Is this a possibility? It might explain regional bans, if you group winnings by country and discover that as a group the euro players are winners while the US players are losers, get rid of the euros to make the asian players happier.
Precisely. Some countries tolerate/turn a blind eye to unregulated activity in regulated industries, others less so.
Operating an unregulated poker app into the UK for example would be breaking gambling laws, finance laws and data protection laws.
I assume the people who own it have carried out their risk versus reward calculations and decided which regions are not worth the potential aggravation.
All surmise on my part, like I said, I don't really know.
I may be mistaken, but I believe it is a non-Chinese origin app marketed (maybe illegally) to the China market.
If this is the case, and I were an employee of PKC like lindyhppr, I wouldn't dare cross into mainland China again.
I understand this has the same risks in the US, some CEO's & employees of unregulated sites selling into the american market don't dare come back onto US soil. That PKC openly has employees and agents here is surprising to me.
I'm here to warn everyone to not go and try to play on this site. By now I know too many affected people with accounts being frozen etc and I feel obliged to warn the community to not play here. Besides the fact that accounts are randomly being frozen we have a solid sample of it being rigged (4.5mm+ hands) and these rumours were already going for quite a while. Please be aware and don't try this BS.
Besides the fact that accounts are randomly being frozen we have a solid sample of it being rigged (4.5mm+ hands) and these rumours were already going for quite a while.
You are the first person to suggest that accounts are being randomly frozen. It seems absurd on the face of it, why would they do that? I think what is much more likely is they simply froze large blocks of accounts that cash out. Not running a poker site I don't know the numbers, but what could that be? 5%? 2%? Simply wiping all winning players off the site would probably pay off much more in terms of customer satisfaction than the lost revenue.
When the burden of proof is on the player, what is the downside to simply accusing every winning player of cheating?
If you have a "solid sample of it being rigged" please share the data. Certainly it has happened before, but really the default challenge to that everyone is going to ask is "Why would they even bother?". Just running a poker site makes buckets of money.
I decided to write this post, because PKA began to unfreeze my friends and return them money, but my emails still ignored. Probably because of heavy workload of support.
My name is Ruslan. I've been playing poker for about 10 years. I'm playing high/mid stakes on PokerStars, Party, 888 and other sites. Also I played on PokerMaster heads up (did not try 8+max a lot because of threat of teamplay), until the bots completely captured this site. When it became impossible to avoid playing with bots, I tried to fight them with their methods using software (it was not prohibited and PokerMaster did not ban any of known bots), but ended up losing even more.
After this "adventure" I found PKA. My friends said that there was almost no teamplay, because PKA keeps order. Also there were a lot of shortdeck action and I started to study it. On highstakes were possible to play only on iOS device. I bought 2 ipads and iphone and started to grind.
"Your account is an overseas problem account, we will check all your card records, and if there is no problem, you will take the initiative to release the title."
" The security team has found evidence of collusion in the stated accounts."
" The analysis of your game play fits a profile that shows evidence of use of 3rd party software or decision making tools. "
My agent advised me to complete a form with an indication of all details of my game at PKA.
Here is this message.
Spoiler:
1. I attached photo of passport - 001.
In September-October I played from Russia. In November 2018 to March 2019 I played from vacation in Vietnam. I attached my visas for Vietnam - 002 and 003.
I made deposites and withdraws by Skrill. Agent take 7% of profit to cover costs. I found him on site ***
4. Financial Information:
I did not have any relationships with other players on Poker King. I have not any backing or swap.
5. Technical Information:
I used to play 4 IOS devices: 2 iphones, ipad 2 and ipad mini. I did not use any 3rd party software (HUD, minion, scripsts). It was impossible because I played short deck from an IOS devices.
6. Please list any other relevant information that you think can help create clarity for the accusation related to your appeal:
The number of players at high stakes short deck is rather small, so I could often cross with all other players. I did not ever take part in any collusion (adjusted strategy (deviation), softplay or shared bankroll). Moreover, it is very difficult in HU or 4max.
Only an idiot could keep such large sums of money on the accounts, with out cash outs and violating the rules.
I play on every big sites (PokerStars, PartyPoker & etc) more than 10 years.
My cash statistics on PokerStars: https://statname.net/players/1482339?
Answer was:
Spoiler:
The security team has found evidence of collusion in the stated accounts.
Collusion is a violation of the TOS and strictly prohibited. Evidence includes examples of card sharing, team adjusted strategy (deviation), softplay, and shared bankroll. Violation of this rule results in account closure and forfeiture of funds.
I did not ever take part in any collusion (adjusted strategy (deviation), softplay or shared bankroll) or use any software (even HUD). I played on iOS devices. But after this answer PKA support ignoring my messages. I'm playing on Pokerstars up to $50/$100 stakes now, you can check my statistics here: https://statname.net/ru/players/1529189?date=0. I'm real person that played bunch of hands on many sites.
I'm ready to record a live session of my game with webcam or send any screenshots that may be needed. I hope communication problems are because of heavy workload of support. I hope this post will attract attention and we will solve this problem.
Interesting. They already detect the same person sitting at the same table multiple times from different accounts, why the IOS restriction? Any ideas?
Harder to multitable, harder to play for pros, very hard to vpn from an area u arent supposed to play, no trackers, almost impossible to run bots, harder to collude, etc
Tons of reasons. Almost all fish play on their fones while almost all regs play on computer...
Interesting. They already detect the same person sitting at the same table multiple times from different accounts, why the IOS restriction? Any ideas?
If I was to guess, it would be because hole-card sharing is significantly more powerful in short-deck. Someone might have made an android emulator based application to exploit this.
I don't know much about IOS, but I thought screen video output was built-in, you just need a cable. Video capture cards could collect this and you'd be back to square one.
So is the IOS restriction intended as a barrier for casual, "script kiddy" hole-card sharing cheaters? If so it is certainly laudable that they'd make the effort, but again it is a false sense of security. You are now left with the sophisticated cheaters.
Harder to multitable, harder to play for pros, very hard to vpn from an area u arent supposed to play, no trackers, almost impossible to run bots, harder to collude, etc
Tons of reasons. Almost all fish play on their fones while almost all regs play on computer...
The "anti-pro/reg" thing seems to be common push in online poker these days.
Why don't they just tell the players the truth?
"Dear players, mostly we only want people who only deposit and never withdraw. So if you are ever planning on withdrawing funds please just don't sign up and save us both a lot of headache."
This story not directly relate to the topic, so I’ll leave it under the spoiler.
Spoiler:
In the summer of 2017, I tried to play on PokerMaster. After losing some money at 6-9max 50/100-100/200 CNY, I realized that maybe I was playing against team players and found a simple solution – try HU. I asked familiar HU reg about games on PokerMaster. He replied that bots are sitting at high stakes and there is nothing to do there, so he does not play there. Despite this, I tried, and it started to turn out well. I avoided playing with bots and looked for opponents weaker. Played 50/100-100/200, results were great.
In 2018, H2N HUD began working with PokerMaster, it was possible to collect statistics and it became clear that the lobby at the high stakes kept the same GTO bots and every day there are more of them. At some point, they began to constantly sit to me. At first I tried to fight them. The results were sad.
After big losses, I had to add limits below. According to statistics, I found on PokerMaster bots weaker. There were automated bots with stupid mistakes in non-standard actions. 3bet for 99bb and push 1bb all-in on the flop, bot folds. Donk 1bb in 4bet pot, bot folds. Donk turn 1bb and so on. These techniques were described in a blog by a user from a Russian forum with the nickname “uran”. He wrote a lot about the game of bots, gave answers about “did Linus use GTO soft in HU against Truteller”, is it really possible to beat GTO bot and etc. It was easy to guess that he was a bot developer.
In May 2018, there were so many bots on PokerMaster that they began to massively fight each other, there were almost no ordinary players on highstakes. Due to the fact that I avoided playing with GTO bots, I couldn’t play at all, now they didn’t even let me sit to the weak bots.
No one responded to any complaints. Hosts get rake, agents get their %. I guess bots wars were profitable for hosts. No one was going to ban anybody, they answered my questions that such software is not prohibited. Just at that time I found out that uran is looking for HUpers for PokerMaster and offers them his software, for % of the profit.
Uran said that at the high stakes of HU on PokerMaster german bots keep the lobby, the same as in the WPN network. He claimed that his software has a slight edge over them and it was verified by the great distance on WPN. In return, he requested 25% profit.
I had a choice to quit PokerMaster or try to fight bots. I decided that I would always have time to leave and decided to try. Uran gave me software that interacts with the emulator and offers a GTO solution. I started to use it against bots. Against weak players, software was useless. There was no point of playing GTO preflop if opponent 3bets 9% or playing GTO flop cbet if opponent overfolds.
For about a month, I fought with GTO bots for the lobby and lost a lot of money. Perhaps variance is to big, or maybe german bots were stronger. Also there was no confidence in the software, what if my cards are transferred to someone, I cannot be sure of it.
The final straw was the situation when a weak player sat to me, we played a bit, but after a couple of hands host kicked me out from the table and bot sat to my place. It became clear that at PokerMaster there were home bots. I left PokerMaster, deleted all software and tried to forget it all, like a nightmare. I played summer at PokerStars and 888. And in September 2018 I tried PokerKingAsia.
You make it sound like its only bots vs bots there at PM, no. I beat those games with some table selecting all the way until beginning of this year when i found better sites to play at.
You just started running your own bot to cheat because you're a greedy mf, hope it haunts you until the end and you never see a dime from PKA.
$350k on my accounts for playing highstakes HU and 4handed shortdeck. Collusion? Looks like a silly mistake. Will be waiting for information about appeal.
a. Can you tell what accounts I teamplay with? Was my winrate higher in HU or in 4max (teamplayer should have higher 4max winrate)? Was my winrate higher when I play with hobby opponents or with other suspects (teamplayer should have higher winrate with suspects)?
Can you provide any evidence, please? Maybe some hands? I have never took part in any collusion on PKing. I'm sure that your security system made a mistake somewhere.
b. I don't know anything about other players of my agent because he never tell me who also playing in his community. All I know, that you freeze all accounts with big balances, while almost all small balances unfrozen. So phrase "entire community was..." – not true.
c. In my posts in russian community I described how to identify and fight with HU NLHE bots and how I got into the botting community to learn their secrets. Flame was provoked by hosts of botnet. I'm playing on every major site (Stars, Party and other) and never use any prohibited software. On PKing I played from Iphone/Ipad in shortdeck without any software even HUD. Anyway you don't accuse me of using prohibited software, but for some reason trying to harm my reputation.
You quoting message from May 17. A lot has changed since then, lol.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crysan
You make it sound like its only bots vs bots there at PM, no. I beat those games with some table selecting all the way until beginning of this year when i found better sites to play at.
What stakes did u play?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crysan
You just started running your own bot to cheat because you're a greedy mf, hope it haunts you until the end and you never see a dime from PKA.
Yes, I'm greedy mf. But I don't see any connection with PM bot wars and PKA.
Last edited by Ruslancheeck; 08-29-2019 at 02:09 AM.
