"We shouldn't remove Nazi symbols, because it won't erase the holocaust."

That's how stupid you sound.

Except one is the symbol of a warmongering genocidal regime that devastated the entire globe and one is a symbol of success that only a small portion of the people involved in our very small poker community even care about

There are VERY few convicted cheaters who play the Poker Masters, SHRB etc. The WSOP would have to start banning hundreds of people, with each person filing lawsuits etc etc. It's better for them to just remain silent and let it pass.

Not that I agree with that one bit, but that's what they'll do.

lol, that's funny and so true. good explanation gazzy. I haven't thought about this in this way.

Good point that I hadn’t considered. I still don’t think players would sue and I’m not sure it’s a reason for the WSOP to do nothing, but I hadn’t considered what you bring up.

Along the lines of gazzy’s point: the WSOP has always accepted known cheaters. It would be cool if they changed that now but it’s hard to see why they would do that? Maybe if there was a ton of public pressure?

But honestly, the type of person I want to play poker against is one who has absolutely no idea who Jake and Ali are.

What does "convicted cheater" even mean? Neither of these guys have been convicted of anything.

They've both been banned from GGPoker for a start, they are convicted cheaters.

Like lllllllllllliterallyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.

A poker site doesn't "convict" anyone is what I think the other guy's point is.

You would assume that each entity is having behind the scenes discussions as to how their 'terms and conditions' apply to these spots.

One would also assume that it's similar to banning Advantage Players .. as private entities there may/should be the ability to refuse service based on their T/C and applicable law.

As a much smaller entity (and Player pool), PG's chances of being sued are perceived to be much lower IMO although the ability/desire to sue may be higher in that pool.

Possible slippery slop if these live bans are heavily reliant on hearsay and a few video clips .. much easier for GG to study data. GL

what is all this talk of suing? Caesars can ban whomever the fk they want from gaming at their properties without a care in the world about losing a lawsuit

Yeah, indeed they can ban whoever they want. They just can't go around and say "it's as a result of player x cheating" unless they can back that up with facts, which is pretty obvious defamation otherwise

i am sure if poker go or anyone else get sued, plenty of proof/facts will be provided by others within the poker industry

jake and ali to my knowledge do not even deny the allegations (instead saying things like 'no comment')

No. Like noooooottttttt llllllliterallyyyyyy. Being banned from an online poker site is in no way a conviction of anything. If it's been proven on ggpoker then that's great, we can call them proven cheaters if there really is as much proof as it sounds like there is. But convicted is a specific word which isn't related to that or to wsops banning or not banning of players.

I’m also concerned about the implications just from being banned. Also why did they make a big deal out of it? They could’ve just messaged these dudes or declined their buyins.

Like not even close. Until a criminal case is brought against them in a govt court, there is no conviction.

Jesus I stand corrected already.

I don’t disagree but recently a guy got banned from Borgata for threatening to jump out the window or something similar and he tried to sue them for loss of earnings as a poker pro. People are entitled as **** and it’s a hassle the WSOP won’t want.

That was longer ago than we think, but I also do think they settled out of court somehow and I'm not sure if he was even allowed back in after all was complete. There is a thread on that. (He was supposedly joking with security over a bad run of sessions and they took it to the max literally, if I remember correctly.) GL

Looks like Bryn Kenney's playing super high roller bowl,was he banned from other poker go events?
I guess his friendship with Cary Katz is big influence here

Karma's a bitch I guess,kenney just busted to Negreanu who had 33 against Bryns AA and Negreanu hits quads on river against his full house on A5433 board

I had nazi on my bingo card of stupid comparisons

I don't think that Bryn was ever banned from PGo .. his issues are with GG online. GL

You're asking if an exchange of emails, in which one person (call him Person A) says "we need to ban these guys who are accused of cheating," would constitute defamation?

I'm not a lawyer, but I have a better-than-average command of libel laws from working as a PIO for almost 30 years. So I'll play along and say no for the following reasons:

a) this exchange of emails was not publicly accessible. For that matter, the documents you wish to subpoena – if they were also private, then the same defense applies.
b) the statement "accused of cheating" is true. Note that "guys who are accused of cheating" is significantly different from "guys who cheated."
c) Person A is not the one at fault for such alleged defamation, unless that email was the first time any insinuation had ever been made about Ali and Jake being cheaters.

Item c) is unimportant in your example, because a) and b) would supersede any at-fault concerns. But it is part of the overall defense of a libel, slander or overall defamation action.

Who needs to chip dump when you can just add chips? The last tournament I played was the $5K deep stack at the Venetian in 2014. When we got to heads up play, we discovered that there were something like 800k extra chips in play. Tangentially, I did play Jake Schindler in that tournament.