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10-20-2021 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TheFly
Maybe they realized viewers don’t give a crap if all the percentage-to-win graphics aren’t available for all 10 games or however many there are, and using that as some kind of broadcast impediment is just silly.
Ok, but this is completely unwatchable without graphics
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10-20-2021 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
Ok, but this is completely unwatchable without graphics
It would be watchable with one person commentating on the actual action and not color commentating.
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10-20-2021 , 06:42 PM
I used to love turning on Tuckman every night for the FREE WSOP streams. **** PokerGo
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10-20-2021 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by thisisfourwords
I used to love turning on Tuckman every night for the FREE WSOP streams. **** PokerGo
While Tuchman was not my absolute favorite commentator I did respect that he was there for the long haul every day. Willing to commentate from the start of the final tables to the end.

What PokerGo has done this year by starting with the final 5 only is just abysmal. Somehow thinking that hardcore poker fans won't want to watch a full final table?
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10-21-2021 , 09:42 PM
This is an excellent idea
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10-21-2021 , 09:51 PM
They played to the final 5 last night with the FT scheduled for today. Wouldn’t that be the fault of the WSOP itself?
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10-22-2021 , 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by answer20
Do you really think that WSOP left ESPN .. or ESPN left WSOP?

I know what the headlines say and why would ESPN even give it a 2nd thought to dispute the headlines.

When I don't want a job at my company I just raise my price so I don't get it. GL
This is a busy time in terms of sports for ESPN compared to July. Plus, they just got back the NHL, they probably wouldn't have the capacity for poker now unless they showed it 3:00 in the morning.

I do agree with the idea of transporting the final table players a mile away to Aria to their studio if that is easier for them.
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10-22-2021 , 06:03 AM
The commentary combo of Maria and Lon is really not working. Maria is great when she has someone interesting to bounce off, but Lon without Norman spends the whole time fumbling his way through mostly uninteresting rhetoric about poker hands and repeating the same basic info about each player about 50 times, and Maria doesn't seem to be able to steer the conversation into something more interesting. Jamie is better at being able to make the broadcast more fun.
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10-22-2021 , 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Tommy_Tomich969
The commentary combo of Maria and Lon is really not working. Maria is great when she has someone interesting to bounce off, but Lon without Norman spends the whole time fumbling his way through mostly uninteresting rhetoric about poker hands and repeating the same basic info about each player about 50 times, and Maria doesn't seem to be able to steer the conversation into something more interesting. Jamie is better at being able to make the broadcast more fun.
I agree. My heart sank when I tuned in and found Lon on the call for a high roller of all things. At one point I'm sure he said "ranges don't matter three-handed". High Rollers should really be Ali/Nick or Ali/Special Guest (Prahlad was good in spots last year for example and Vitch was good when he did some commentary for mixed games too).

Lon is fine with Norm or Jamie in the low level flipaments, but he should never be calling $50ks.

I think it's a pretty hard thing to call 8+ hours of poker without being repetitive or dull and I think the PokerGo commentators do a really good job of keeping things entertaining, but it's just lining up the right hosts to the right events.
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10-22-2021 , 07:04 AM
People moaning about no hole cards - use it as a learning experience. What range might the player have here? How has the action restricted that range?

Everyone always forgets that when poker first came to TV with hole cards, they WEREN'T shown all the time in any case, only actually when it came to a critical moment. This added suspense and mystery, and was frankly a much better way to do it
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10-22-2021 , 07:31 AM
whats annoying for me is that they start showing the final table when there are
like 5 players left, which is pretty boring because of the usual final table dynamics.
how about incorperating earlier tournament coverage, like pokerstars used to do on the EPT streams?
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10-22-2021 , 02:18 PM
New players come from twich anyway. I enjoyed "new" HS poker season just because of an old vibe for a price of a hamburger at mcdonalds or a movie ticket. So who cares.
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10-23-2021 , 07:36 AM
Not sure how the number 5 was picked, but PGo has to make business decisions as well and starting the FT 'full' could possibly double the broadcast time. IMO they were very lucky that the 50K went the way it did .. with a Player calling off 70+bb with KJs! Really!? I've seen many many major tournaments grind their way down to 30-40 'total' bb before a winner was found and these guys had over 120 between them.

PGo doesn't have the residual income that a PStars or WPT had to 'fund' larger/longer streams. Yes, there a fine line between offering 'more' and hoping to pick up/keep subscribers. And there's no 'major' sponsor this year either (Jack Links) that is looking for 'x' hours of exposure for it's $$.

PGo has come light years from where it started and continues to grow IMO. It may not be at a pace that some want, but it is at a forward pace.

Sure there's storylines along the way .. Where's Nick? Why Lon? Why Norm? The same can be said for NFL, NBA or any other broadcast. GL
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10-23-2021 , 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by TucoSalamanca
I think this deserves a thread of it’s own.

As a poker fan, I like to watch the big names in WSOP and in the past the WSOP streams were great. This year it has been a disgrace.

- HU championship without holecards
- Hellmuth historic bracelet win not streamed
- Looks like they are not going to stream the 10 k dealer’s choice with most likely Negreanu, Hellmuth and Matusow

Am I the only one who is pissed to pay for this?
I haven't watched because I am on a boycott even though I have a sub, yeah that makes sense. W/e. I support the 'poker community' but I'd like to see more second tier streams, old school like Like at the Bike classic with 2 announcers and a cheap stream, for just about every final table and preferable for any late 27 with a Phil in it.
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10-23-2021 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
People moaning about no hole cards - use it as a learning experience. What range might the player have here? How has the action restricted that range?

Everyone always forgets that when poker first came to TV with hole cards, they WEREN'T shown all the time in any case, only actually when it came to a critical moment. This added suspense and mystery, and was frankly a much better way to do it
bro, in the stud events you couldn't even see the boards, and they played a lot of them

And they had too many useless angles and commentators weren't helping so the action was sometimes hard to follow too

That said, I do appreciate the attempt and in general do not feel like PokerGo has failed big time. Well worth the money and they do a good job

Last edited by ScotchOnDaRocks; 10-23-2021 at 10:32 AM.
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10-23-2021 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by answer20
Do you really think that WSOP left ESPN .. or ESPN left WSOP?

I know what the headlines say and why would ESPN even give it a 2nd thought to dispute the headlines.

When I don't want a job at my company I just raise my price so I don't get it. GL
When the contract expired, ESPN walked away.

The CBS/WSOP contract is for episodes only. PokerGO handle all the live streams.

All the footage is sent to CBS for them to cut the episodes. That is why the graphics, artwork, AND selection of commentators is very CBS-specific.
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10-25-2021 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by answer20
Not sure how the number 5 was picked, but PGo has to make business decisions as well and starting the FT 'full' could possibly double the broadcast time. IMO they were very lucky that the 50K went the way it did .. with a Player calling off 70+bb with KJs! Really!? I've seen many many major tournaments grind their way down to 30-40 'total' bb before a winner was found and these guys had over 120 between them.

PGo doesn't have the residual income that a PStars or WPT had to 'fund' larger/longer streams. Yes, there a fine line between offering 'more' and hoping to pick up/keep subscribers. And there's no 'major' sponsor this year either (Jack Links) that is looking for 'x' hours of exposure for it's $$.

PGo has come light years from where it started and continues to grow IMO. It may not be at a pace that some want, but it is at a forward pace.

Sure there's storylines along the way .. Where's Nick? Why Lon? Why Norm? The same can be said for NFL, NBA or any other broadcast. GL
Who called off 70bb with KJs?
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10-25-2021 , 06:08 PM
Addamo
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10-25-2021 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Defarse
Who called off 70bb with KJs?
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10-25-2021 , 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TucoSalamanca
I think this deserves a thread of it’s own.

As a poker fan, I like to watch the big names in WSOP and in the past the WSOP streams were great. This year it has been a disgrace.

- HU championship without holecards
- Hellmuth historic bracelet win not streamed
- Looks like they are not going to stream the 10 k dealer’s choice with most likely Negreanu, Hellmuth and Matusow

Am I the only one who is pissed to pay for this?
nope, it's been terrible and super disappointing.
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10-25-2021 , 10:43 PM
WSOP was an early adaptor to live streaming. The downfall over the last few years is so disappointing. This is the first year I've paid of PokerGo. I've enjoyed watching HSP but will most likely cancel after the WSOP. Not streaming directly to Youtube and/or Twitch is such a huge, huge miss.
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10-26-2021 , 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by tRaMSt0p
Flipping for the bracelet after a deal already made?
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10-26-2021 , 09:57 AM
pokergo failed? how ? by what standard? sounds like rich people problems to me. when was the last time you were allowed to see so much live footage from a poker series? what year? in the past? espn was all recorded and tape delayed and edited. we have more live footage of wsop events than ever before and white rich men and little man boys are claiming that they failed us. ffs.
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10-26-2021 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Defarse
Flipping for the bracelet after a deal already made?
I don't get the "made a deal" vibe from either of these guys when there's $1.1 million up top.
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10-26-2021 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by tRaMSt0p
I don't get the "made a deal" vibe from either of these guys when there's $1.1 million up top.
That's true. And Addamo would have called off a lot sooner I guess.
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