I presume we should be filing in the state where the majority of our hours have occurred. This is still tricky as we will then be reporting income from states other than the one we are filing. I have hours in 11 different states with the majority split relatively equal between 3 of them. The state with the majority of my hours still only consists of 34% of my total hours and 23% of my income for 2019.

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Funny even long time odds maker Roxy Roxborough with a dumb ass view on this. Does he not know that If you are a pro gambler and pay taxes, that makes you self employed. Also the 21 year old was out of work when all the casinos shut down, how long does he think you have to be out of work to get unemployment. lol

This was from April 2nd:

"But the grant toward administrative costs could be disbursed to states like Nevada up to 60 days after the bill was signed into law Friday, according to the Families First Coronavirus Response Act. And when it comes to lending a hand to unemployed gig workers under the $2 trillion stimulus bill, states are in a holding pattern as they wait for guidance and funding from the federal government."

"Independent contractors, self-employed and gig workers are eligible, for the first time, to file for unemployment insurance benefits, but the department is still getting the program off the ground — meaning claimants will need to wait for an unspecified amount of time before they’re able to file."

“This program is separate from (the) traditional unemployment insurance system,” Mendez said in an emailed statement. “We are already working through initial design and implementation plans to be able to provide the people in Nevada this vital support.”

"Along comes the CARES Act and it says we’re going to increase benefits — we’re going to bring a new group of people into the system — and by the way, states, you have to figure out how to do all that at the same time you’re navigating (this) massive surge in claims for regular benefits,” he said."


https://www.reviewjournal.com/busine...k-pay-1997380/

This is from April 2nd though which was prior to the April 5th UIPL 16-20 Directive. The only relevant pieces seem to be post-UIPL when specifically discussing PUA (Pandemic Unemployment Assistance).

https://wdr.doleta.gov/directives/co....cfm?DOCN=4628


The Las Vegas Review piece says pretty much what we have been stating since the UIPL was released. It appears clear but you never know how a state will interpret the guidance and even the spokeswoman from Nevada's Department of Unemployment was somewhat cautious in her words.

Apparently some of the systems which will handle the claims run on COBOL (article)

Wouldn't this be open to rampant fraud. Say you were drug dealer and wanted to show some cash in your bank account and you just decide that in order to do that you would just put $20,000 as gambling winnings on a tax return. The IRS doesn't have the manpower to look at gambling logs. How about someone who never files a tax return because they don't reach the income threshold required to do so. They open an unemployment claim saying that their job was standing on the street corner asking a passerby for money. They have no work history because this is all they do. They tell the agent on the phone they are unable to do so because of a stay at home order. They are an independent contractor. Their job is to beg for money.

I know an advantage player who is a professional gambler. He predominantly did what Chainsaw did. He played progressive slot machines, casino promotions and poker tournaments. He filed as a professional gambler and paid FICA and itemized all his expenses. Now obviously he can file for unemployment. He can quantify everything he did. Has a gaming log and 1099's.

What you are going to have are thousands upon thousands asking for free money. A true independent contractor has to have documentation. You can have some person who never filed a tax return file a return quickly file one for 2019 and 2018 and pay the IRS $5 one year and $7 the next say they were a professional gambler and collect $200 a week for six months.

If I'm wrong please correct me.

Idk at that level of detail, but there will be fraud committed through the CARES Act, and a lot of it.

Obviously anything has potential loopholes but I’d imagine 2019 tax records by themselves may matter a whole lot less vs 2017-2018 when establishing a poker pro’s credibility and ensuring they aren’t druggies that just now decided to get fraudulent and take advantage of our new tax submission deadline for 2019...

There should be safeguards in place similar to what a mortgage lender may require with a Form 4506-T, request for Transcript of Tax Return. If you are claiming you are a professional poker player you should have 2019 tax returns (or 2018 if you haven't filed yet) filed stating that this was your profession during the 2019 quarters. By requiring a PUA filer to sign a form stating that they filed as a professional poker player or face insurance fraud claims if you are lying I would think that would dissuade some.

No, why would you have 2019 return, I don't YET. I owe money as any self employed person would so I will file near July 15th, the new deadline.

I guess they would use 2018, who knows. Or maybe you just state how much you made and they go from that as you will be filing anyway, so you can't be too far out of line.

Also, most people going to get about the same amount, I think its have the state amount(275 or more depending on state) + the 600 a week.

For the purpose of Unemployment insurance they will almost certainly require you to state your 2019 income. In the majority of states when filing "normal" UI, your base period is a one-year time span consisting of the last four out of the most recent five calendar quarters worked before filing your claim. In most cases, your unemployment agency will look at a base period of these four full calendar quarters when determining eligibility. So even if you haven't filed in 2019, you would still be able to complete the PUA application by stating your income from each of the qualifying quarters.

There is actually quite a bit of variance from state to state in regards to their maximum weekly payment. For example, based on 2019 numbers the max in Arizona was $240 and Florida $275. On the other end of the scale the max in Washington (state) was $790, New Jersey $713, and Massachusetts $823.

Why would you presume "any self employed person" would owe? Part of the quarterly filings that are supposed to be made is to minimize what might be owed at the time of the federal filing of 1040 and associated documents...

I remember getting hit with a somewhat sizeable penalty when the numbers were off on the estimated quarterly payments...I don't recall what the threshold was for the underpayment, but I was way off for a couple of quarters.

That being said, I know a lot of people who ARE delaying their filing with the move to July from April, but many of them are the same ones who have an annual filing of the extension which moved the filing to October in the first place...

When all is said and done, abuse of the changes in UE payment will be rampant if they helicopter funds to poker players without requirement of a proof of actual filings being made in prior tax years...

Your quarterly tax payments must add to at least 100% of previous years tax bill or 90% of current.

Yes, you are right not all self employed would owe money if they paid too much in.

Actually I might go ahead in file since I have already completed the return in the online software, but they do not make you pay money that you owe until the July 15th deadline now. That way I can add my direct deposit info in, so at the end of this month when they start sending the $1200, I can get it into bank instead of waiting months for a check.

They are supposed to open a portal for added bank info at end of month to accomplish this also.

I just submitted for Illinois.. hopefully can get it but dont have my hopes up

I was not aware that any state had yet created the portal for those eligible to apply through the PUA portal. How were you able to do this in Illnois when they say on their site that it isn't yet available?

https://www2.illinois.gov/ides/Pages/default.aspx

The same way I was able to apply in NV a week ago. It is the old(normal) system, your app goes pending for hours or days and then comes back not eligible.

The federal update did come out early this week, so its possible his state already updated. I know NV has not updated yet.

I see thru my USPS informed delivery that when the mail comes today I got something from them, It will be my denial papers likely. Hopefully they throw something in about what is coming, etc.

This doesn't serve any purpose though and further slows down the process for the state and for everyone. What is the benefit of applying now when you know you can't get approved as opposed to waiting until they have a website set up to be approved through a simple process?

I didn't know any better when I did it.

I am following this guy who is a CPA and puts out daily videos about all the stuff to do with stimulus, loans, unemployment, etc.

He is knows whats going on and is good at explaining everything. Watch this and some of his recent videos.

Ah my bad. I was interpreting your comment to suggest that you were recommending this way. Makes sense now. We're all in this together.

oh yeah this is what I did.

So I got that mail from unemployment and there was a debit card in it from BOA, that is how they pay everyone. Like I said previously, when I filed last week it came back and said
Ineligible.

So I activated the card and signed up. Also saw on nextdoor others saying they got this card with no money on it like me. But said to file your weekly claim now and then on Tuesday the money loads.

So just for kicks I logged in and hit the weekly claim button and it showed at the top that I was eligible to file a weekly claim for 3/29 to 4/4. HMM
So I know I heard the Governor say that he waived all work search for the next several weeks because obviously everything is closed.

So I left all that blank like he said and submitted, answered all the questions on the next page, the main one being answer no to "Did you look for work". So it went thru but
my main screen still shows Ineligible like before.

I guess I will wait until Tuesday and see if there is money on the card. lol

These systems are old COBOL and are designed to exclude, not include. Updating the software is quite difficult.

Massachusetts is the first state that I've found to be transparent on their process and to provide guidance with a timeline.

https://www.mass.gov/info-details/up...dance-on-cares

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from the article:


"These workers may qualify as independent contractors or self-employed “during this unprecedented time and under the CARES Act,” said Rosa Mendez, a spokeswoman for the Department of Employment, Training and Rehabilitation


Professional poker player Chris Konvalinka told the Review-Journal last month that he was considering filing for unemployment benefits. “We’ll see. I’m going to give it a shot,” he said. “It seems like a free roll to me. Worst case, they say no.”'





the key word here is may and this woman is only a spokesperson so she's not all that high up in the food chain
but anyway it looks like there is a chance



https://www.reviewjournal.com/busine...risis-2001863/