https://twitter.com/dblocknomercy/st...iq32fHOKsytAfQ

These two and one other had been cheating in public casino games all over the east coast until finally being apprehended in Massachusetts.

I played with them once at MGMNH. They were terrible at hold ‘em yet had massive stacks. Something didn’t add up. Someone noticed them signaling to each other in game and the regs called them out. They immediately left. I’m glad there was some Justice.

I heard they were cheating at Encore in Boston as well. Good riddance.

More info here

https://twitter.com/davestefanski/st...lec-NtE4UztSPw

Looks like cheating in poker is actually a crime in Massachusetts under the Expanded Gaming Act of 2011, hence the arrests:

https://www.mass.gov/news/holyoke-ma...gm-springfield.

We should enact more laws like these across the country. If California had one, Mike Postle would have been dead to rites.

As far as I know those were different people

The Twitter link I posted before indicates they were arrested for cheating in the pits, they just happened to be at the poker table when the cops arrested them.

They were definitely cheating at poker too, I played with them, but sounds like they were arrested for cheating the casino.

That said I haven’t seen any arrest records for these 3.

Hard to say. The Massachusetts Gaming Commission certainly has specific laws governing cheating (namely Section 39), but California also has similar laws. It's not like California allows cheating and a judge just went, "Whelp, Mr. Postle, you've done nothing wrong."

No, what kept Postle from a trial was a statute that the courts do not get involved in gambling losses between citizens in the first place. And that's what sucks. Since the Postle case ultimately came down to a number of players losing to another player in an otherwise legal, licensed game of poker, then it became less of a "you've done nothing wrong" and more of a "we're not gonna even look into whether you've done wrong." (Why PC section 332 didn't apply is beyond me, though, but this has been covered ad nauseam in the Postle thread.)

If Postle had cheated the casino, then he would have faced the music in the way Daniel Ruiz did with MGM Springfield. And you'll notice that Ruiz had to pay restitution to the casino, not to other players. That's the subtle but key difference.

As for this most recent arrest, this seems to be a situation of players being caught marking cards – at least, based on the Twitter thread that David Stefanski initiated. Put another way, they got caught cheating, while Postle got caught winning in a way that can only be done if he was cheating. This may seem like semantics, but it always strikes me that a good chunk of our judicial system consists of arguing over semantics.

What happened to the original thread about these guys cheating at MGMNH? I can’t find it

Wilbury Twist, thank you for the detailed explanation, that makes a lot of sense. You must be an attorney!

There were some posts in the MGMNH venues and communities thread, not sure if that's the one you're referring to.

I swear there was a dedicated thread here. You may have been the OP. Maybe I dreamed it up lol

Good memory. I forgot about that. There was one but I believe it was deleted by the mods for privacy reasons since nothing was substantiated yet.

MGM springfield is not in new hampshire, its in MA

No, they played at MGMNH - MGM National Harbor, in Maryland, too. There were some posts in that venues thread a while back about them.

Neither is MGMNH. It is in MD right outside DC.

Haha definitely not, as someone in another thread enjoyed pointing out. I just followed the Postle situation pretty avidly.