well yea it was clearly a joke post. I'm sure nobody cares since I'm not making bets or borrowing money off anyone, but housenuts would vouch that this was satire I'm sure.
I’m sure everyone will get their money soon. Seems like it is being blown out of proportion. All I know is, if I owed someone money, I always pay it back, barring one condition. If someone goes on social media and calls me a scammer, they just lost any chance they had of getting their money back. At that point I would be calling it even and would agree to not sue for slander if they dropped the matter completely. I believe that is what happened with Marc Klang and that group of scumbags running the black jack game. That is probably what will happen here.
This post is semi-relevant to a different situation thats unfolding right now. If two people agree on a repayment plan and effectively 'shake' on it(being that the amount and the time interval is fine with both parties) but then the person owed the funds a few days later decides to blast the person on a scammer group, what happens next?
well yea it was clearly a joke post. I'm sure nobody cares since I'm not making bets or borrowing money off anyone, but housenuts would vouch that this was satire I'm sure.
So WTF did you make the post in the first place??
If it was a "joke" it only served to derail the thread and turn the focus to you and your "joke" viewpoint.
I’ll leave it at that and stop posting. I just had to clear it up as obviously a lot of people seemed upset. Maybe people are so bad that it seemed like a real thing someone would post.
well yea it was clearly a joke post. I'm sure nobody cares since I'm not making bets or borrowing money off anyone, but housenuts would vouch that this was satire I'm sure.
The name rang a bell more than it should have, and after a quick Google search, I found out why:
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Originally Posted by theskillzdatklls
I've called out scammers each time I've gotten scammed real quickly. I've always given pretty much zero ****s. I also get repaid virtually never in the few spots I've been in. But I don't think keeping quiet would have changed things either. I'm usually more just hoping others don't fall victim.
All of this. From what I've seen, the majority of the "_____ is a scammer and thief" threads have the PSA purpose in mind. Sure, every now and then they help reach some resolution. The Brad Booth/Doug Polk thread comes to mind. But mostly they serve as cautionary stories to help others.
Also agree that sitting on the knowledge of an obvious scammer accomplishes little.
The key, of course, is being pretty certain that you got scammed. I remember almost calling out someone from whom I bought a chunk of WSOP action... only to discover that he never played. This was back in the days when sending a check in the mail wasn't totally archaic (although still pretty dated). I PM'd a few fellow regulars, and one of them advised not saying anything until I was sure.
It was good advice: a little due diligence revealed that the check never cleared. The guy didn't play in the WSOP and as such, never cashed any of the checks. Sure, it would have been nice for him to tell us about it, and I stopped the check just in case. But had cooler heads not prevailed, I would have accused another regular of being a scammer – all for a measly couple hundred bucks.
Patrick Serda, on the other hand, deserves all the heat he gets if that Tweet is true.
Imo it's a badge of honor it seems to be outed as a scammer now. More outrage it seems by a few on here than the general poker community as a whole. Again you just get numb to it mainly because there are few if any repercussions. See Eli. Chino. Maurice Hawkins. John Racener. They all still were put on tv and talked up like they were rock stars. Once I saw that I realized nobody cares or will do anything about it. Still think Michael Mizrachi should be blackballed. Chino used his name for years, cheated so many players out of real money and Mizrachi still was his BFF and at the same time took no responsibility for him. But he's too cool for any blowback. What a farce.
As far as mizrachi goes… it brings up the 3rd party scamming situation
Is it fair to cut someone out of your life or hold them accountable if you feel them being friends/aquanitnces/partners with a scammer?
Basically im asking if its fair to treat people guilty by association?
Last edited by Bohemianwrapsody; 06-15-2021 at 09:23 AM.
Reason: Tldr
It is definitely fair to reevaluate someone based on the company that they choose to keep. One of the possible outcomes of that evaluation is you choose to cut that person out. Are you "just asking questions" for the sake of discussion or do you really not know where you stand on this?
It is definitely fair to reevaluate someone based on the company that they choose to keep. One of the possible outcomes of that evaluation is you choose to cut that person out. Are you "just asking questions" for the sake of discussion or do you really not know where you stand on this?
Im in a situation right now…
I generally think its fair game to cut toxic people out.
But i also think its a grey area.
I was trying to get a general feel of how much i could pressure my friend over dealing w someone who scammed me. Or should i just cut them all off.
I mean my friend has been a pretty good friend over the years am i overeacting? I basically go bat **** crazy at the thought of my friend speaking or dealing with scammer in any way.
As far as mizrachi goes… it brings up the 3rd party scamming situation
Is it fair to cut someone out of your life or hold them accountable if you feel them being friends/aquanitnces/partners with a scammer?
Basically im asking if its fair to treat people guilty by association?
I see what you are saying and I agree to a point. Mizrachi in my opinion is a different circumstance because he knew the Chino was using his name to scam money from other poker players. Then when the player went to Mizrachi he claimed he didn't owe the money and never okayed it with Chino. I know of at least 2 players that happened to. Both for a decent amount of money. That in my eyes makes Mizrachi culpable. But what is more infuriating is that there seems to be literally no brushback at all against him. Mizrachi definitely was aware what Chino was doing and it was evident he didn't care at all.
On the other hand I remember reading the Borovetz threads years ago and Kessler was mentioned just being his friend. Not accused at all of knowledge about what Mike was doing and that dude was crucified on here. Posters on here going crazy because Kessler was his friend. But yet no one gives a **** Mizrachi is still friends with Rheem. And after thinking about it I really feel it's because Kessler just doesn't come off as cool, he is pretty nerdy. An easy target to make fun of. Mizrachi gives off the completely different vibe. I feel that is definitely part of it.
Obv this will never happen but if a private investigator was hired to gather all the pertinent facts about Rheem and Mizrachi I am 100% it would show that Mizrachi knew about this for years, enabled Chino and allowed his name to be used as a reference lots of times knowing full well he would not cover Chino's debts after he got the money from the unsuspecting player. But like I have posted before, nobody seems to care that Mizrachi was a partner to Chino which even more shows the hypocrisy of it all.
I see what you are saying and I agree to a point. Mizrachi in my opinion is a different circumstance because he knew the Chino was using his name to scam money from other poker players. Then when the player went to Mizrachi he claimed he didn't owe the money and never okayed it with Chino. I know of at least 2 players that happened to. Both for a decent amount of money. That in my eyes makes Mizrachi culpable. But what is more infuriating is that there seems to be literally no brushback at all against him. Mizrachi definitely was aware what Chino was doing and it was evident he didn't care at all.
On the other hand I remember reading the Borovetz threads years ago and Kessler was mentioned just being his friend. Not accused at all of knowledge about what Mike was doing and that dude was crucified on here. Posters on here going crazy because Kessler was his friend. But yet no one gives a **** Mizrachi is still friends with Rheem. And after thinking about it I really feel it's because Kessler just doesn't come off as cool, he is pretty nerdy. An easy target to make fun of. Mizrachi gives off the completely different vibe. I feel that is definitely part of it.
Obv this will never happen but if a private investigator was hired to gather all the pertinent facts about Rheem and Mizrachi I am 100% it would show that Mizrachi knew about this for years, enabled Chino and allowed his name to be used as a reference lots of times knowing full well he would not cover Chino's debts after he got the money from the unsuspecting player. But like I have posted before, nobody seems to care that Mizrachi was a partner to Chino which even more shows the hypocrisy of it all.
If you take Chino on his word that Mizrachi is vouching for a transfer, then by definition you are trusting Chino, which is basically the same as not getting a vouch.
Just message Mizrachi, ask him if he's vouching, then this "scam" can't exist.
Poker players make it easy to scam them as they're too trustworthy and pussies when payment is due. You have guys playing the circuit today that have scammed people out of a lot of money, yet they don't say a word. Got to stop being a pussy in life.
You know at 1 time I was shocked when I read a scam thread here or elsewhere but at this point I and many others are just numb to it all. For every person outed somewhere there are dozens and dozens and dozens of others in this community scamming for a lot more. And a decent amount are well known players that still get compliments on media sites and nice things said about them on tv during final tables. It's a joke. Eli wins an event a few days ago and is called a legend in some article I read online about it. Yeah a legendary scammer but it's obvious that aside from a few people on a site like this, the vast majority don't give a ****. Eli still welcomed for tv events and big cash games with all the top pros. Not a pariah at all. And the list goes on and on. But some pathetic dude like Borovetz feeling the need to beg at an airport for a C note gets crucified and treated like he is Bernie Madoff jr.
That's why I don't even blink an eye anymore reading these scam threads and honestly I don't think any of these scammers cares either. They're outed and they'll have a big name friend support them and in a few weeks it's all forgotten or forgiven. Unless of course you hit up those airport travelers for a quick $50. Then you should get hanged. Or the guy here at foxwoods that owes like 30 people $20 and recently got banned permanently. But not the dude playing our 5-10 NL game who owes a few people over $15,000. He still plays and gets treated like a VIP by the casino. Again at this point its all a ****ing joke.
U mad, bro ? ...... cause people at one time cared about a serial scammer, but no one ever cared about the social slight you suffered when some poker pro didn't say hello to your wife ?
Poker players make it easy to scam them as they're too trustworthy and pussies when payment is due. You have guys playing the circuit today that have scammed people out of a lot of money, yet they don't say a word. Got to stop being a pussy in life.
yup every year the wsop comes around and people are like oh man so and so better not show up whos a scammer etc, oh they show up and no one even says a peep its honestly bizarre how theres never any consequences for these people. Deeb this year was probably the best case scenario and that was super tame. All he did was just talk alil **** while at the tables, crazy thats been the most done about stuff like this.
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Update....I found you Patrick
also lol if this guy actually found him, we need some receipts or more updates
Poker players make it easy to scam them as they're too trustworthy and pussies when payment is due. You have guys playing the circuit today that have scammed people out of a lot of money, yet they don't say a word. Got to stop being a pussy in life.
Nothing ever happens. Chino plays all over. Maurice plays all over. No repercussions. If the poker community isn't going to do anything about cheating which is as low as it gets, scamming will definitely be tolerated unfortunately.
