I saw Booth at the Aria last week sitting with $50k

Interesting...

For what its worth guys, Brad has continued to make small payments over the course of the last few years. We aren't moving anywhere fast, but I do think he wants to make it right and I appreciate his efforts to right the debt.

Doug, you gotta get your arms around this thing. People owe you money and they act like they're doin u a favor by giving u anything at all.

collecting money isn't that easy if you aren't backed by the mob.

He should just talk to jungleman. Doesn't he have the contacts?

And paying dem bikerz furst seems pretty geeeteeeohhh imo.


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Yeah, **** that. If he want to make it right he'd be eating lentils and oranges, living in a closet in a 4 bdrm apt with 4 roommates, and working 16 hrs a day 6 days a week until he repaid you. Ask him how many steaks he's eaten since he ripped you off for 28k and that will show you how badly he wants to make things "right".

Def go with the "steaks eaten" scale when judging his intentions

Even if he was sitting with $50k - there surely is no way to know if the money was actually his, or whether he had gotten (another) stake?

Or another steak.

I bet Booth eats steak sandwiches everyday, he seems the type...I'd stake my roll on it...

Look, there is a lot at stake here; its not a laughing matter. If I were Doug and saw him sitting with 50k at the Aria, I would confisteak all his chips. Literally walk up and take all his chips off the table and probably slap him in his fat face.

Most tilting thing ever is when you've been scammed by a player you know and you see them still playing in your regular poker venue, or even at the same table as you.

This happened to me a while back. It was only a relatively small amount of money, £300, (a straight loan), with the person feeding me excuse after stalling excuse. After a few excuses I knew it was clearly BS so I asked around the poker venue and lo and behold he had done the same borrowing scam on 5 other people at the venue, so probably even more people than this.

All people scammed were in the same position, not wanting to out him for fear of not getting paid, plus I guess the fear of embarrassment of letting on that they had been fooled by this blatant conman. I spread the word in the end because I was fed up with seeing him stroll around the place like he didn't owe me whilst still playing with money in front of him.

In the end, no one ever got paid and he then he stopped playing at that place.

My only other, almost being scammed incident, was for a slightly bigger amount of £1000, where I 50% backed a player for a live £2K comp and he simply never showed up. Then he was not contactable for 2 weeks, and eventually I got the "Oh, I lost my phone" ridiculous excuse from him. Reading between the lines, he blew the money on cash games before the comp.

He was a decent sort of guy by and large (probably just a degen in poker but a nice person in life) so I gave him some time, then a little more time, plus the option of 5 monthly installments. He kept stalling me so eventually I had to say that I would have no choice but to out him if he didn't pay by a certain date, which was about 6 weeks after the original date of the comp. He was an up and coming player with big poker career plans so I guess that was why he eventually paid, and/or he may have had some morals about it.

So I never outed him and still haven't.

However, a couple of years later, I Googled his name only to see his recent results and he came up on the backing/staking scam thread here on 2plus2 with some similar behaviour again.

So it is a tough area. On the one hand backing/staking, and sometimes standard lending, is a necessary component in the poker world for individual players to progress and/or to ride out downswings, but on the other hand, most transactions are like dealing in the good ol' (bad)Wild West.

So all you can do as an individual is either steer clear of backing/staking/lending, or if you do it then do lots of research first into the background and paying out record of the person before dealing with them.

I used to get involved in backing a lot of players, but now I have my doubts/suspicions about quite a lot of them so limit my backing to a small handful of people who I have got to know better personally and therefore can more accurately judge/evaluate as people with a strong moral fibre when it comes to honouring an agreement.

but, but... he once bluffed ivey so he must be balla!

Hey doug. I see him the other day, he was having coffee with Howard lederer I said hey bro can Doug have his money back and he told me yes of course I'm sending it him now. So check your bank account and don't mention it. Where's my reward. *praying for a 5NL stake*

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poker world is full of degens, you have to acr more carefully and decide who you associate with, gl and hopefuly he pays you back the full amount soon.

The thing is, if a guy's making half-assed payments and you rip him for it that may cause him to stop with the payments. Half-assed or not, some is better than nothing.

Ive been owed money but ive always been paid back on time or shortly afterwards. People take advantage of people they think they can get over on. The people i loan money to respect me. They also know i dont play about my money and have no problem getting physical. Im not advocating violence im just saying people know who they can walk all over and who they cant.

He's been at Talkong Stick playing 75-150 mix for the past week and made got 29th in the Arizona State Championships.

Right, but the fact is most people simply aren't willing or able to get their hands dirty to seriously incentivize people to always pay them back on time. That might be a pretty good reason for them not to loan money in the first place but that's another issue. As is, if you're someone deadbeats peg as a mark and you're unwilling/unable to change that then receiving small payments is better than being totally stiffed. There's no point in using extra harsh words towards them if they're not gonna get backed by action. Things will either remain the same or they'll get offended and stop paying you.

Can confirm, he was at my table on day 1.

I have seen him around the $75/150 games for a while now at Talking Stick.

Confirmed, he was also playing there in Feb around Super Bowl time.

Much appreciated on the updates guys thanks

Doug, just this and listen to this bro. Confisteak Brad's chips.