i knew this would be a funny topic. You NVG mods are all right.....

thankyou sir.

four of the dragons sounded intelligent and reasonable in their rejections.

and i think you guys are overreacting on jj, he came across as ok to me.

but omg wow that theo guy's speech was possibly the most ******ed thing ive ever heard in my life.

i'm british, and i take no pleasure in mocking people on the internets

but this made me cringe. i wouldn't have gone on the show obv but if i did i'd have sharkscope graphs/UK live tournament rankings to refer to, and really go to town on the math/equity analysis in poker, how it compares to business, etc. now that i think about it, even tho' these guys wouldn't stake anyone, what a great opportunity this guy had on national TV to test the viewers' perceptions of poker, instead he has a gimmicky approach and can't articulate anything better than 'i play well, i should prob be able to generate a return for you'. bad for poker imo. i can just picture my parents laughing at the 'gambler'

surprised they even let the guy on the show, and now that they have they prob won't do a repeat, but what an opportunity he wasted.

i'd love to see one of the young online crowd go on this show/the US version and explain the pokerz to the world. maybe a team of galfond/junglen/bonomo/haseeb qureshi. including bios from guys like vivek rajkumar that finish applied math/computer engineering degrees early and quit jobs with microsoft cos they earn more $ online.

then when the dragons are convinced but confused at why such successful players need a stake in the first place, they'd say 'we don't really, just want to prove a point'.

sick metagame stunt imo.

would be sweet. galfond could mention how bluefire poker (they prob don't even know training site companies exist) issued that million dollar charity challenge to the US government to make a point about the skill vs luck debate.

their presentation would be devoid of glasses/poker chips but include some sick variance, winrate and standard deviation discussion and graphs like:



(from this thread http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...12/index7.html)

i think the reason JJ got on the Den rather than one of the 'young online crowd' was because he's from a demographic the Dragon's (and viewers) can relate to. Basically, he's a normal middle-aged bloke, and as such i think he did okay in asking for his stake. there's obviously stuff mentioned in this thread which could have supported his pitch more persuasively, but going on there with graphs and stuff - well, that kind of thing would always be edited out.

as it was, i agree that it's good for the game to have someone on TV arguing the case for poker as a game of skill, and a money-making opportunity if you're good at it. i've actually wondered about going on the Den with that exact proposal, but at the end of the day, you may as well say, 'I know about business, give me 50k to speculate on the stock exchange.' They're obviously never going to go for it, and why should they? but i think JJ came across pretty well to the average punter, and it was good to see two of the Dragon's are 'keen poker players' themselves.

Oh, and the poster who mentioned the guy from the Nutz Poker League going on but bombing out - wrong, i'm afraid. After a sticky start, with the Dragon's again very sceptical, he did actually get an offer of investment, more than he was originally asking for as well - so actually poker's got a pretty good hit rate on Dragon's Den. i wonder what they're response would be if someone went on there with a proposal for a poker club?

^^^ good points. i'd assume that was the only reason he got on the show. for the same kind of reasons they let on novelty inventions like a ball that floats in the toilet for kids to aim at when they pee and a plastic condom to stop cucumber heads drying. obv he wouldn't be successful. prob w/o the poker table/glasses gimmicks he doesn't get on, w/ graphs and maths he doesn't either. catch 22. oh well. i feel bad for the guy. perhaps he did make some good points but it was edited out, wouldn't be surprised

after what happened to the gutshot club in london, i doubt we'd see this

there were a couple on the show once wanting to set up an online poker + casino games website, IIRC they weren't successful, but their pitch was very professional. i'll look for a link

ah it was an online gaming affiliate/alerts site, they were successful

starts at 4:50 and finishes here. dragon's dens series 5 episode 2 part 5 on youtube

and yeah the poker league guy was successful, many offers fall through after the show tho' so not sure what became of it

Saw this last night, thought I would be the first to post, but doh! It's on earlier in the week lol!

Here is a youtube clip for you non-Brits: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cx5iRMDfyk&feature=related You have to go about 1 minute into the clip.

So why he didn't just get a mortgage like 99% of the rest of the population would do I don't know. I have one word for thid man GREEDY! Just earn the f***ing money. Or borrow it. You don't need a dragon investor. Unless you are not confident of winning of course

Saying to a dragon that you need money because you've paid your mortgage off is just not going to cut it!

Infact the reason it is rare for an investment to happen on there is that great businesses can find money from the bank or through their own profits, and bad businesses are just ... well uninvestable. There is a marginal area between the two. where the dragons can invest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IOsLXt9tiY

where are they now

Gutshot -> The International private members poker club in Old Street

The original show where he made the pitch was comical. The dragons weren't interested in the pub poker stuff but all sat up when he told them he'd made a deal with a poker site to advertise on his site and he'd get a cut of the rake they generated.

They thought that was some amazing deal and he must be some kind of genius to persuade Full Tilt (or whoever it was) to give away their revenue stream like that.

Oh dear, live players and sample sizes. Oh dear.

i know im there all the time

lol what a donkey

cool thanks. god that was painful to watch tho!

i played this douce recently (like yesterday) and he was running his mouth like anything..
it was £300 comp and i was playing pretty wrecklessly/HYPER aggro..(i.e v online style)
i was chip leader pretty much throughout the whole comp..i ended up getting coolered and he goes see i knew u would lose it all (i still had more chips than him FYI)..during one of the breaks he goes..
"your a good player, i usually play just as aggressive as you but i dno i feel like playing tight today" - LOL
i kept humouring because he was awful and then he goes -
"the problem with you, you dont know when your behind..if you can work that out, you will be a winning player" - LOL
what a ******!

LoL, what event was this in?

Wtf you bump this so you can brag about being chip leader playing so cool and funky?

milkybar kid should go on there asking for a stake at teh nosebleeds and showing them his grafs

lol 33 MTT's, lol samplesize. Next time bring Nanonoko's graph with you intead the "I luckboxed 1 major cash 3 years ago and now I don't have any more money" type of story.

Man, what is your avatar gif? Reminds me of something.

(At least I found something useful in this thread)

We are gambling--we're just gambling with an edge.