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I'd also like to know

I suspect that the legal case has been made easier by poker being accepted by IMSA:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/57...-sport-772660/

Although, personally I still have several issues with IMSA.

I think there are several issues with describing poker as a game of skill and although a large amount of skill can be applied to the game, a lucky weaker player will regularly win.

For me the issue is the arbitrary classification of some games that have no skill as skill games means that poker and backgammon get mistreated.

I still think in all other respects the UK's model of poker being tax free and getting revenue from the online sites is the most progressive solution even though they still treat poker as a luck game.

Which games are these?

I did not mean literally no skill in terms of actions affecting the outcome, but a game that has very low skill especially compared to poker.

I was having problems tracking down a link on google but it will be somewhere in opsi a list of "games of chance". One game for example is dominoes for which one can give cash prizes. This isn't even (5s & 3s) but the game 3 year-olds play.

I cannot remember cribbage's current classification - but it may well be able to played without a licence.

Much of these definitions fluctuate throughout UK history as Bridge (clearly a skill game) has allowed gambling though at one time would have been banned.

Poker has now got a grey area in terms of letting unlicenced tournaments happen but this has not actual been established as legal and could be reversed without requiring any parliamentary vote.

Interesting. Seems like a pretty messy system but I get what you're saying. It seems that, regardless of actual degrees of skill, the UK allows the games they want to allow.

I reported this to NVG when it happend few weeks back, sliped at second page same day, not many seemed to care heh.

Any news?

Your name isn't blacked out.

Any news from NL? ^^

I believe it was reversed, I'll see if I can find anything about it.

http://www.pokerbond.nl/index.php?op...168&Itemid=164

You can run it through google translate, it says jul 2nd the the Hague court ruled poker wasn't a game of chance. Last week a court in Leeuwarden ruled poker is a game of chance.

lol sick ownage

An extreme right wing party in the Netherlands just got 21% of the vote in the election and now is part of the coalition government with other moderate conservatives so I beg to differ that they are progressive. In the past they were progressive on drugs and but in recent years they have banned many substances and tightened rules on other substances.

smart country.

Ban OP. talking crap. It's not a game of skill in Holland.
I smoked a gram of charas, some kush and ate a spacecake washed down with Grolsh. I went to Leidseplein, played 2/5 and there was no f skill involved whatsoever.

the netherlands are the better germany

Its not an extreme right wing party. They are not really part of the coalition government, they support it. When it comes to poker the new government is probably inclined to legalize online poker, because they want to make money of it.

There views include leaving the EU, stopping immigration almost completely and the leader of the party has attacked the religion of Islam unfairly. He doesn't attack Jews for the evil things said in their holy book(eg kill any man who tempts you to another god) or the homophobic views clearly displayed in the new testament. I support no religion but also believe nobody should attack somebody else for their religious views as Geert Wilders did in his video. The video generalises muslims and my own girlfriend who is not even muslim has recieved many racist comments around the Netherlands especially since the release of this video.

finally some good news

This "skill negates chance" argument is absurd. Clearly there is no mutual exclusivity. It's all political double-talk.

Its so bad that the argument has to even be made. I mean horse racing and the lottery are definitely skill right?

So now the question is..How do we deceive the government and not pay taxes?

this isn't very lucrative for us.

the fact that it isn't even considered 'extreme' right-wing anymore, is what is extreme about it. Supportive from the sidelines on paper or not, they are VERY much part of the government.

i don't know if holland can still be considered progressive in light of international standards, i do know it's verrry conservative when set against our own history.

Like in other countries, the right succesfully wins the blame game here as well as they have no problem throwing any mud they can get their hands on. No group of people is safe for a possible goating for their personal electoral gain. Except white uppermiddleclass....of course. The left tries to 'toughen up', but (thankfully) are too civilised for their own opportunistic good and can't get themselves to spout the same simple one-liner rhetorics people want to hear these days. It's like watching a trainwreck in progress when they try nonetheless lol

Don't get me wrong though, i'm not that big a fan of the lefties either. They lack leadership, heart and a strong set of modern core principals. Also, they pretty much dropped the bal in almost every way during the comfortable eighties and nineties and their uncontested reign.

/sorry for the derail, but i like to keep foreigners with an interest properly informed

Yes it does and yes it is

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