[x] played in Nice in July
[x] was 10x better than every other player at the table
[x] lost 2k euros
[ ] went back to play more
[ ] felt good while on the table

isnt this the topic that has been brought up numerous times on this forum, with threads being locked and OPs being trolled out the door

Now we are all shocked its happening

There is no community better at self delusion than the poker community. The amount of lying to ourselves and "if we cant see it its not happening" type attitude is astounding

I remember reading several, imo credible, threads about these types of things that were laughed out the door. Now people have been caught doing it, we cant believe it!

confirmed cheating

they were playing carribean stud against the house - they got caught because they were taking the casinos money, obv one can speculate if someone doing this against other players would be caught by the casino.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15302679

It's made the Beeb website.

Of course this can be done by any player(s) at the pokertable,the trick was used already 5 decades ago,so this is not surprising.
Why the hell is it still allowed to wear sunglasses in a dark casino?
No more sunglasses,no more headset,no more mobile phones or other tecnical stuff on the table,no phonecall during a hand.

Why does this happen so often on France? does it have anything to do with lenient laws, lax gambling commissioners, carless casinos, etc.?

They were wearing contact lenses.

If any of that was true, then we wouldn't even be here discussing it, DUCY ?

Old moves still the best,
I remember this being run in the 70s then the joints introduced red perspex blackjack heels.The hardest part then was to get red contact lenses made as I recall.

Actually crazy they got caught. Kind of hard to detect unless they did something crazy. Definitely gave an edge. Bigger card protectors in the future?

French police say they have arrested three Italians and a Frenchman over a sophisticated casino scam in Cannes.

This is a scam that could EASILY be used in a live poker game - away from the hawkeyes of the pitt bosses. Do people think this is a big threat for live poker?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15302679

people are always going to find a way to cheat

It's amazing what passes for sophisticated these days.

This was known to have actually happened at the WSOP about 5 years back.

Whether it continues to happen I am unaware, but I don't believe that security measures are properly in place to prevent this from occurring.

Casinos really do need to have sets of these special lenses on hand to regularly view cards at tables to make sure markings such as this are not on cards.

fyi my post was moved by a mod from another thread into this thread!

This is easy to combat, just cover your cards with your whole hand like Durrrr. I never protect my cards with a chip or a card protector. It just sounds so nerdy and old school,smh. I'm new school, lol.

I watched a thing about gambling scams on TV last night. I was tilted when some old guy was interviewed about his cheating techniques in poker. His face was blurred out because the producers said that they couldn't reveal his ID because he will still cheating today. According to the program, he had made $20 million from cheating in live games.

One technique he talked about was whip-sawing. Trapping a player in between himself and his accomplice to bully the mark off a huge pot, that they deliberately try to inflate, then chop winnings at the end of the night.

He also talked about what I think is called chip dumping. Where they get a group of players together and enter into a MTT. Then they all try to get through to the later stages and funnel the team into the same tables. Then they dump all the chips to one guy and let him go for it from there and then they split all winnings equally.

Thought it would be beneficial to describe the cheating techniques so you guys could look out for them.

I think its disgraceful. He was laughing and saying that the fish might as well get whip sawed by him because he is going to bust sooner or later anyway. imo thats just immoral thinking and he deserves to be shot.

The fact of the matter is, there is always going to be a scumbag who wants free money and will do anything to get it. As players, we all need to be extra vigilant. If we cant prove they are cheating, then just quit the game and give a HU to the staff and hope they catch them.

Another thing is, I dont think whip sawing would work against good regs. We are never getting caught up in the middle of a huge hand without being nutted so I guess they can only scam fish?

real??

Italians and game fixing is like apple pie and cream

professorkaos: live cheating does happen to a mild extent, but i have trouble buying the credibility of mr. blur face on this one. the show itself doesnt sound like much of a reputable news production. blurry face mentions a commonly discussed, nearly non-existent collusion method and his chip dumping scheme doesnt make any sense to me. if 4 players enter a tournament and give all their chips to one player, that's 3 less players with an edge in the field playing. you just cut your edge by 75%. didnt sklansky write about how the chips in a small stack are worth more than a large stack? i thought that chip dumping in tournaments was more for the purpose of preventing one of their teammates from busting on a short stack. there is more equity to be won by the 4 players trying to go deep because of prize distributions than to have 3 of them bust so that 1 guy has a 4x chance of winning, since 4 players with a stack is still 4x. this would be the exact opposite of what this guy was talking about. if that guy really said what you claim then i call the show bs.

the program seemed pretty legit tbh. it was on challenge, sky, UK TV.

I dont believe mr.blur face about $20 million in winnings. no idea how they even came up with that number tbh but when they openly put it out there, i give them some credibility.

Maybe whip sawing is more rife than you realise?

Also about the chip dumping thing, their tactic is to take smallish medicore stacks and combine them into one big stack and give them to the best player, so they have a good shot at coming first, rather than coming 7th or something. I dont really care for the tactics behind it, I am just stating what he said as I thought it might be beneficial.

Whipsawing is hardly new and in fact it was happening a lot online especially amongst some of the Russian players and wouldnt surprise me if the Chinese crew that was racking up the SnGs were doing it as well.. In fact worse yet was a document I ran across telling people how ot actively cheat setting up VMs on a couple computers and then using VPN to hide true IP addresses and actually essentially whipsawing among other things innocent victims by owning a majority of seats at a given cash table and having read it Im sure there were people guilty of doing it. Its probably easier to whipsaw online then it is live to be honest because of the issue of AIM and YIM and Skype.. Sadly those who have no morale compass and can find a way to game the system will do so and not shed a tear for the poor sap who theyve legally robbed

Dream on if you think thatll happen. Yes WSOP does strictly regulate useage of headphones and Ipods once the money bubble is broken (they are disallowed I believe) Mobile Phones and other similar devices can only be used when you ARE NOT actively in the hand (IE You can text tweet if your not in the hand anybody reaching for their phone/Ipad while in their hand is subject to penalty by the floor up to and including disqualifcation. As for the sunglasses never happen. People use them for legit as well as prop reasons.. I know I like them because I can actually look like Im disinterested wiht my head forward while Im secretly staring at the person off at a slight angle looking for any tells.. So I guess in a way I agree somewhat (we only need look at the Tony G/Robl fiasco to see that headphones can actually be detrimental to your own play if anything). I dont have a problem with people tweeting and what not while not in action I will however say that the 30min delay ESPN did made me more wary of people having hands tweeted to them that they could analyze during breaks or run back in their heads given a certain situation but the sunglasses never happen (I myself have History of migranes as well and even if its not overly bright the florescent lights can actually cause me to get a headache that is fairly bad at times and Ive found I need something akin to Blueshark optics glasses (that filter certain wavelengths without really darkening the whole field of vision) to play long stretches such as tourneys.