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PMI 8888758035/PMI SALE double-charging accounts on FTP? PMI 8888758035/PMI SALE double-charging accounts on FTP?

02-26-2011 , 06:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ilMaKeUfAmOuS
Well seeing PMI doesn't answer the phone and I've left several messages I'll just let the fraud dept at my bank track them down I bet I wont be the only one that put that claim in. Have a stop payment on all past and future PMI or Western Clear charges so no worries here but will send FTP a **** you email and request a confirmation my banking info is deleted out of my and off there servers.
Dont trust the stop payment. There are people in this forum who put a block on PMI after the first transaction, and still had PMI access there account a second time around.
The best option is to close your account. If a company is shady enough to withdrawn money twice, its shady enough to use a shell company to get around banks. PMI will set up other companies to access your account. Close it and leave nothing to chance.
03-01-2011 , 02:30 AM
They got me for 2...First one happened on 1/27/11 and the second one just happened on 2/22/11....Just noticed both, I usually dont pay too much attention to my checking account, but after reading this story and remembering i had a charge from PMI, I went back and noticed both and now I'm a little pissed...Granted its not a lot of money, but its the prinicipal....I'm heading to my bank first thing tomorrow to close that account number and get a new one...Hopefully that will solve everything.....This is VERY shady business that full tilt is ignoring and PMI is doing...I love the convienent response they keep giving all of us...Please take responsibility already Full Tilt...
03-01-2011 , 06:32 PM
My amounts mirrored withdraws in fall of last year.

Can the other people in this thread -- especially those of you with odd numbers -- confirm that the dollar values match FTP deposits from last year?
03-01-2011 , 07:40 PM
NO THEY DO NOT match for everyone one.

You don't need to cancel your account, just tell your bank to block all future debits from the PMI account.

GL
03-01-2011 , 07:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SabaAba
NO THEY DO NOT match for everyone one.

You don't need to cancel your account, just tell your bank to block all future debits from the PMI account.

GL
...not the question asked.

If you were debited by PMI 8888758035, do the debit amounts match with any Full Tilt Poker withdraws or attempted withdraws. ...especially if you have withdraws of odd amounts (e.g. $61 or $107, etc.).
03-01-2011 , 08:17 PM
Lol I see that Beenie has not returned to this thread to impart further nuggets of wisdom.
03-04-2011 , 06:39 AM
Wow...This is still going on. I saw this thread when it first began but hadn't thought anymore about it until today. Looking over my bank statement online today I noticed two $100 charges from PMI on 1/28/11 and 2/23/11 which led me back to this thread. I'm pissed and will definitely be calling the bank this morning.
03-23-2011 , 04:01 AM
Hi!
I just checked my credit card statements of the last 3 months and as i have had like 20-50 credit card transactions each month with a bill from 2-5k i didnt realize till now that there are serveral charges on my credit card i dont know from who and for what they have been charged. They all look similar like this

19.01.2011 21.01.2011 MICRO.COM-4TV8NE9SYA00 A EUR -5,98 -0,06 -6,04
21.01.2011 24.01.2011 MICRO.COM-2ZZ8EG9RF700 A EUR -14,99 -0,15 -15,14
28.01.2011 31.01.2011 MICRO.COM-4R3DY70GP100 A EUR -9,98 -0,1 -10,08
01.02.2011 03.02.2011 MICRO.COM-4WCSCWJEMS00 A EUR -4,99 -0,05 -5,04
01.02.2011 03.02.2011 MICRO.COM-2WBE6N0BST00 A EUR -4,99 -0,05 -5,04
03.02.2011 07.02.2011 MICRODUCKLOAD.COM-416K PKJDYW0000000 EUR -23,84 -0,24 -24,08
17.02.2011 21.02.2011 MICRODUCKLOAD.COM-GCSM VQ60F40000000 EUR -23,84 -0,24 -24,08
19.02.2011 22.02.2011 MICRODUCKLOAD.COM-GBYC E7VJX70000000 EUR -19,96 -0,2 -20,16
20.02.2011 22.02.2011 MICRODUCKLOAD.COM-7AZU 8MQ98C0000000 EUR -34,95 -0,35 -35,3
03.03.2011 07.03.2011 MICRODUCKLOAD.COM-HBPP 3W40TA0000000 EUR -23,84 -0,24 -24,08
05.03.2011 08.03.2011 MICRODUCKLOAD.COM-HCVD 5S29W40000000 EUR -19,96 -0,2 -20,16
17.03.2011 21.03.2011 MICRODUCKLOAD.COM-GGNZ 4SN9GH0000000 EUR -23,84 -0,24 -24,08

as u can see the reference changes from micro.com to microduckload.com from one month to another...both URLS dont exist at all i guess...i used my cc for duckload once in september or so i guess and payed via paypal which has been processes accordingly and was a non-recurrent fee of like 9$....and suddenly those statements appear on my cc a few months later...
anyone else got a problem like this?
03-31-2011 , 11:32 AM
I just got hit again (3rd time) by PMI for the same amount--$200. I disputed the Jan and Feb charges through my bank, got refunded, and blocked future transactions, but this withdrawal was made using a slightly different name.

Transaction was from: PMI SALE ***********3633; date was March 30th.

Three thoughts:
1. The name change seems to indicate that the Jan and Feb withdrawals were not errors on PMI's part, as they told several people who were able to get in touch with them, but an intentional scam.
2. I recommend the everyone who was hit in Jan and Feb check their accounts closely for additional unauthorized withdrawals.
3. I tried to address this situation with Full Tilt before and got the same crappy response as everyone else. I've since withdrawn my funds and won't play there again unless they take some positive action.
03-31-2011 , 01:02 PM
I had two $50 charges over the past few months like many posters that do not reflect my deposit history. I let it go, mainly out of laziness, until I got hit w another charge today. Finally called the # (3x over an hour timeframe) and spoke to a rep who had my acct # digits...I said these were not mine and she said they would be removed in the next few days. Don't know if this helps anyone, just wanted to let u know there is a person(s) answering that #. Guess we will see if my acct gets credited...looks like they're obv just mass charging everyone and keeping whatever isn't challenged.sorry if info is a dupe...just saw the thread on my phone and didn't read all replies...
03-31-2011 , 01:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by spitbubbles
I had two $50 charges over the past few months like many posters that do not reflect my deposit history. I let it go, mainly out of laziness, until I got hit w another charge today. Finally called the # (3x over an hour timeframe) and spoke to a rep who had my acct # digits...I said these were not mine and she said they would be removed in the next few days. Don't know if this helps anyone, just wanted to let u know there is a person(s) answering that #. Guess we will see if my acct gets credited...looks like they're obv just mass charging everyone and keeping whatever isn't challenged.sorry if info is a dupe...just saw the thread on my phone and didn't read all replies...
What is the magic number to call to get off the list? I got hit awhile ago twice (posted early in this thread). I changed my acct # but would love to call this magic PMI phone number and ask some questions.
03-31-2011 , 01:43 PM
The number in the thread title. srry if dupe...
03-31-2011 , 01:46 PM
Also, I would like off the "list" but fear it may just have to be chalked up as one of those bs things an internet poker player has to deal with.
03-31-2011 , 02:42 PM
Is FTP trying to lose business? Who ever is calling the shots at FTP needs to be fired ASAP.

Their attitude is "We got our money and nothing else matters."

This is right up there with having super users running amok. I really can't imagine playing anywhere but FTP but at some point you got to quit doing business with sleazy companies.

FTP you need to book a flight to your payment processor and straighten this ish out. The amount of money FTP takes in and they don't answer emails in a timely manner and now this.

The thread needs to be stickied and FTP needs to be given UB status til they can learn to answer a email in a timely manner and take responsibility for their customers getting ripped off.

Thats BS how they're passing the buck.

Last edited by Bozzytiger; 03-31-2011 at 02:48 PM.
04-01-2011 , 02:36 PM
I stopped depositing on ftp with my bank acc in July or August. Now I got hit 3 times with charge of 18 by PMI. 1/31, 2/28, and 3/31. Went to the bank just now, called PMI from bank. They are called Merchant services. Said they put a stop on my account yesterday, and the $54 will be returned to my acc by Tuesday. We will see.
04-01-2011 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by SabaAba
I have to say that those accussing FT of foul play here are wrong. I was the OP and I still don't believe this had anythng to do with FT. I was charged and I had no deposits for over 18 monts in FT. They may have gotten the information from FT (hacker or otherwise), but NONE of my transactions going back over 2 years (up to where I stopped checking) through FT had anything to do with PMI.

In any case, stop complaining to FT, we know they are not involved, and call your bank and tell them to stop all future transactions form this vendor. You will also get a refund.

Good Luck all.

Oh and to the guy who says he doesn't care about the $50, it's not the dollar amount that people are so worried about. I don't like random companies going into my bank account and taking any amount of money I don't owe, whether it's $1 or $10000.
Yea bro so FTP shares ur personal banking info with some scumbag companies who charge u for no reason.
Why would u be mad with FTP?
04-01-2011 , 05:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by peny87
I stopped depositing on ftp with my bank acc in July or August. Now I got hit 3 times with charge of 18 by PMI. 1/31, 2/28, and 3/31. Went to the bank just now, called PMI from bank. They are called Merchant services. Said they put a stop on my account yesterday, and the $54 will be returned to my acc by Tuesday. We will see.
lol...same exact dates I got popped. In my earlier post I wasn't implying $50 doesn't mean much to me, it's just sometimes I really am that lazy
04-01-2011 , 05:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike D
I just got hit again (3rd time) by PMI for the same amount--$200. I disputed the Jan and Feb charges through my bank, got refunded, and blocked future transactions, but this withdrawal was made using a slightly different name.

Transaction was from: PMI SALE ***********3633; date was March 30th.

Three thoughts:
1. The name change seems to indicate that the Jan and Feb withdrawals were not errors on PMI's part, as they told several people who were able to get in touch with them, but an intentional scam.
2. I recommend the everyone who was hit in Jan and Feb check their accounts closely for additional unauthorized withdrawals.
3. I tried to address this situation with Full Tilt before and got the same crappy response as everyone else. I've since withdrawn my funds and won't play there again unless they take some positive action.

Mar 31, 2011 Electronic Withdrawal from PMI SALE
(200.00)


Hit me too. Mother****ingsonsofbitches.

FTP needs to do something.

I'm out 600 now...
04-01-2011 , 06:40 PM
I've created a warning/info thread in Internet Poker, which has numerous "OMG, STOLEN MONEY!" threads.

Here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28.../#post25780591

...where it might get more attention from those who withdraw/deposit more.

If you lost money to PMI, please visit that thread.
04-01-2011 , 09:35 PM
I also was hit the first two times (jan and feb)....both times my bank credited the next day immediately. Looks like my bank blocked this third transaction as I did not get hit with it. Pretty ingenious though to name the transactions "PMI". Im a home owner and I thought originally that it had to do with this. A big thanks to this forum for pointing this out....imagine how many other people have been hit with this and have no idea.
04-02-2011 , 01:31 AM
Just to be clear - are these echeck charges, or credit card charges?
04-02-2011 , 02:24 AM
im sure everything will work out
04-02-2011 , 05:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Punker
Just to be clear - are these echeck charges, or credit card charges?
Charges to checking acct. Have not rec'd any funds back, prob won't hit (if at all) till next week...
04-02-2011 , 12:38 PM
I just checked and I am glad I didn't see any charges from PMI. This is just sickening though.

FTP has no support at all and now they are commando style stealing...wtf?
04-02-2011 , 07:22 PM
I was hit three times (Jan, Feb and March) for $300 each for a total of $900. The amount $300 taken (stolen) out of my bank account each month matches a Fall 2010 deposit of the same amount that I had deposited onto FTP.

The magnitude of this has to equate to some serious dollars as only a small percent of players visit 2plus2 forums. So think of how much money has been stolen from a company that FTP has (is ?) doing business with.

Honestly, this is some serious stuff that is not getting major headlines as they are stealing small amounts from people - but in MASS quantities.

If this was any other business. The company (in this case FTP) would indeed come forward with a statement and investigation on what a partner of theirs has been found to doing - and what FTP can do to help authorities (if possible).

I cannot believe 2 plus 2'ers make an issue out of the thieves on Ultimate Bet (and rightfully so) but are not asking the very same hard questions to FTP to step forward and give some answers - and help get to the bottom of this.

      
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