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Originally Posted by doublejoker
Please help with this poll.
Venues are considering changes to short handed bb ante situations.
4 handed at final table 30k 60k level.
Venue uses bb ante but open to suggestions.
Which would you prefer?
A) Continue full BB ante (Aria/Commerce).
Sb 30k bb 120k others zero.
B) Reduce BB ante by half (Wynn/Party).
Sb 30k bb 90k others zero.
C) No bb ante at ft. Sb 30k bb 60k all ante 10k
I'm an NVGer who has never heard of this before, so it may surprise you that I have an opinion.
A) is best. One (admittedly minor) problem with doing antes normally is the total amount of the dead money per hand varies quite a bit, particularly when you move from two tables to one. If you play ante-only tournaments then 10-18 handed the dead money per hand basically remains constant as levels rise but its balanced by people busting - then it suddenly doubles when you move to FT (in a normal tournament this happens too but less noticeably because people are focusing on the blinds).
A) gives a smoother structure whereas B) seems to be trying to replicate something that's actually a "bug" with the normal way of doing it.
As for C) ok, but then why not do it all tournament? If the question is specifically about these BB-ante tournaments (about changing the structure of the game - lots of things do, but a variety of tournaments are available. Playing PLO also fundamentally changes the nature of the game from NLHE, it doesn't mean there isn't space for both kinds of tournaments).
On the question of whether a very short BB should be deemed to have posted antes first or his BB first.
1) obviously go by the rules if this hase been specified - (presumably the BB stays in front of his whereas the ante is drawn into the middle)
2) otherwise the judgement consistent with other forms of poker is he posts the antes first and anything he has left over is his BB that can be matched against other players' bets and the SB to the extent he can cover them
3) however when writing rules, consider writing them that he posts his BB first, anything left over (up to a BB) gets thrown in the middle to juice the pot but the really short player isn't obliged to juice the pot for the others before he has his own BB there.
About game play. There is already the idea that one should play slightly looser if one is UTG as one has to post the blind next hand (but not if he busts, so this acts as a discount on the risk). It makes significant difference to that calculation if one also has to post a dead ante.
Last edited by LektorAJ; 03-23-2018 at 05:00 AM.