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Please help with this poll regarding bb ante short handed Please help with this poll regarding bb ante short handed
View Poll Results: Which bb ante option do you prefer 4 handed or less
A full bb ante 30k 120k others zero
26 38.24%
B reduced bb ante 30k 90k others zero
8 11.76%
C no bb ante is needed at final table
34 50.00%

03-21-2018 , 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Isidiop
... are the ones who regulary forget to ante if they don't realize how much of a time saver it is
How about while the dealers are switching decks out of the ShuffleMaster they announce in a clear and understandable tone..."($?)antes please!"

DUCWIDT by incorporating one simple task with another so as to save time?

IIRC, a large part of a dealers job description is to control the table. I would have to imagine that this particular announcement is one of the responsiblities included in said job description.

easy game

Last edited by NoQuarter; 03-21-2018 at 10:17 AM. Reason: Words
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03-21-2018 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Isidiop
I just have to assume people complaining about a single ante are the ones who regulary forget to ante if they don't realize how much of a time saver it is
And that would be an incorrect assumption...and it is not a time saver based upon my limited experience in tournaments using that insipid change.
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03-21-2018 , 10:45 AM
I could see it being a bit of a time saver if it was full tables, but is it really that much of a time saver 4 handed or less? Who isn't paying attention when you're that short-handed?

Last edited by MCAChiTown; 03-21-2018 at 10:52 AM.
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03-21-2018 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Isidiop
I just have to assume people complaining about a single ante are the ones who regulary forget to ante if they don't realize how much of a time saver it is
Your assumption would be very incorrect.

The maximum 10 seconds it saves per hand is in no way a compelling enough reason to fundamentally change the structure of the game.

I just have to assume people who feel BB Ante will save "loads of time" are the ones fake-tanking preflop for 2 minutes on every single hand, yet are suddenly concerned about saving 10 seconds by eliminating the Table Ante.
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03-21-2018 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ICrushDreams

And to the last part about BB breaking even. There is still a SB so if BB does win the pot he will NOT be breaking even. He will at very minimum net profit the SB and have a longer tournament life having just paid the big blind and ante he has a full orbit to absorb any liability from having to pay the ante again.
This seems incorrect to me. If the BB does not have enough chips to post a blind that covers the small blind amount, he is not eligible to win the small blind (or at least, he can only win the portion of it that he can cover). If he cannot post a blind at all, he would be all-in for a side pot that would include only his ante. Presumably any other player that wanted to contest the pot would still have to at least call the amount of the normal big blind.
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03-21-2018 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by TheFly

The maximum 10 seconds it saves per hand is in no way a compelling enough reason to fundamentally change the structure of the game.
Its probably worth it early in tournaments that are deep and have antes from the start. The time saved there is more valuable than the issues.

Late in tournaments not so much.
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03-21-2018 , 02:46 PM
What does that player end up with if they win the pot on each scenario.
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03-23-2018 , 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by doublejoker
Please help with this poll.

Venues are considering changes to short handed bb ante situations.

4 handed at final table 30k 60k level.
Venue uses bb ante but open to suggestions.

Which would you prefer?

A) Continue full BB ante (Aria/Commerce).
Sb 30k bb 120k others zero.

B) Reduce BB ante by half (Wynn/Party).
Sb 30k bb 90k others zero.

C) No bb ante at ft. Sb 30k bb 60k all ante 10k
I'm an NVGer who has never heard of this before, so it may surprise you that I have an opinion.

A) is best. One (admittedly minor) problem with doing antes normally is the total amount of the dead money per hand varies quite a bit, particularly when you move from two tables to one. If you play ante-only tournaments then 10-18 handed the dead money per hand basically remains constant as levels rise but its balanced by people busting - then it suddenly doubles when you move to FT (in a normal tournament this happens too but less noticeably because people are focusing on the blinds).

A) gives a smoother structure whereas B) seems to be trying to replicate something that's actually a "bug" with the normal way of doing it.

As for C) ok, but then why not do it all tournament? If the question is specifically about these BB-ante tournaments (about changing the structure of the game - lots of things do, but a variety of tournaments are available. Playing PLO also fundamentally changes the nature of the game from NLHE, it doesn't mean there isn't space for both kinds of tournaments).

On the question of whether a very short BB should be deemed to have posted antes first or his BB first.
1) obviously go by the rules if this hase been specified - (presumably the BB stays in front of his whereas the ante is drawn into the middle)
2) otherwise the judgement consistent with other forms of poker is he posts the antes first and anything he has left over is his BB that can be matched against other players' bets and the SB to the extent he can cover them
3) however when writing rules, consider writing them that he posts his BB first, anything left over (up to a BB) gets thrown in the middle to juice the pot but the really short player isn't obliged to juice the pot for the others before he has his own BB there.

About game play. There is already the idea that one should play slightly looser if one is UTG as one has to post the blind next hand (but not if he busts, so this acts as a discount on the risk). It makes significant difference to that calculation if one also has to post a dead ante.

Last edited by LektorAJ; 03-23-2018 at 05:00 AM.
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