uhhhhh thats not really what I was talking about.

I was talking more about this.


How is that these GTO wizards, many of whom are in cliques to strategize about hands, who have been playing against Erik for years (with lots of HHs), yet still cant beat him.

best answer I've seen came very early ITT. maybe all these poker coaches , strat content not needed ? dunno.

How much was Seidel's river shove? I assume the pot was around 250k. Chan said he bluffed off his money but he had top pair.

Hard to know for sure. 167 entrants, and I think starting stack was 10k back then, so a total of 1.67M chips in play. According to the full length video, Baldwin says they're about even stacked before the start of the hand, although this was edited, so it's not clear when exactly Baldwin says this. Maybe Seidel started with around 800k. So maybe he shipped about 675k into 250k?

Chan just fastrolled the nuts before Seidel could show what he shoved with, so Chan probably just assumed he was bluffing, as he had been bluffing a lot according to Chan.

Just checked his Hendon. His first cash was for 280k in 1988. His most recent cash was for 260k in Jan of 2018. 30-years of consistency.

You wonder if he has a little bit of Tom Brady in him. He was the 'fish' in the Rounders scene with Chan. Trying to prove to the world he isn't.

Seidel is just a smarter dude. None of the pros wanted Moneymaker to win.(EGO thing I'm sure) But Seidel saw the big picture. He said no you want Moneymaker to win. If he does, we'll all become Millionaires.

Variance

He's really smart and very good at poker.

The End.

Probably the correct answer. How many tournaments do you think he's played in his career?

His first cash was in 1988, so he's been playing for 30 years now. Lets say a fair estimate is 100 tournaments a year, which is 3k total tournaments...

This, guy is a genius. He gets no love either, despite being a beast longer than 99% of posters here have been alive.

This describes basically the entire crew of high roller regs.

Actually if you look at success in poker, I'd wager you can directly correlate it with intelligence. Everyone at the top of poker appears to 1. Have a great work ethic (I'm sure tons of players do) 2. Be very smart (95th percentile+).

They're all a bunch of 130+ IQ geniuses who are brilliant at math.

Even Johnny Chan, just a few years ago, admitted that he could no longer beat Erik Seidel. Thanks to the movie Rounders, it will be the greenhorn Seidel that the general public will always be familiar with.

Running hot in a handful of tournaments means basically nothing.

Yes, that is all he has done.

LOLNVG

A mix of variance over a tiny sample and a lot of skill.

duhh his AK beats AQ, aka EXTREMELY lucky

His first cash came in 1988, and he's done extremely well over his 30 year career. He's been crushing poker before the majority of 2p2ers have even been alive. (I know that is the case for me at least, and im on the older side imo)

If you mean not showing the camera his cards during play I honestly cannot ever remember him doing this. I looked up 10 random hands and the only hidden cards were in one hand vs Benefield where he got coolered by a higher river straight and it was Benefield who hid his hole cards from the camera.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSNiZNAT9tc

If you mean not showing after the play's dead he's not the only one and it's good discipline.

I can't remember it ever being a regular occurrence, but I do specifically remember a USPC from the early 2000s where they actually installed 2 cameras at Seidels seat to try and get his hole cards. I'm thinking it was 2003, when Toto Leonidas won, but I'm not 100% on that.

The moment I learned that Daniel Negreanu hates Erik Seidel I became a huge fan of Erik. If you look at his play in older shows you can see how he was very much ahead of his time. He seems to have rock solid fundamentals coupled with a strong intuition. As a stupid kid I thought “Erik Seidel is the most boring man on the planet”, but today I know he’s an endboss, pure class, amazingly controlled and restrained.

He is a huge nit who defends himself well aginst gto bots and runs good obv.

Both of those statements I found myself agreeing with.

Hear Johnny's explanation @ 2:22:

It couldn't be something as weak as all-time winnings could it? I guess ES is creeping up on Kid Poker and he's won $20 million since 2010.

It might have something to do with politics, DN's political knob goes to 11.

If it's not something stupid like that and the animosity is non-winnings poker-based, I'd love to hear the background.

I know many people hate it but I could watch Seidel, Antonius, Durr, Ivey, Luckychewy, Holz, Colman etc. all day just for the "solid fundamentals coupled with a strong intuition". Probably because my game is mostly intuition; I'm not smart enough to apply poker theory.
They aren't going Hellmuth/Matasow/Tony G/J Gold tedium nor the even worse unearned Kahn/Kassouf pla-skool exhibitionism and I know people think that's poker's future/good for TV blah blah blah but the only time I like watching loud a$$hats playing on TV is to see them get pwned.

My understanding is that it stemmed from ES being friends with Annie Duke. I heard him say on a podcast this week that they were over it and were friendly in the rare times they are around each other.

classic hand if you haven't seen it

Chan owned him so hard. I think the pressure just got to Eric there.