You can rathole if you go from NL Texas to PL Omaha, for example. But if you then go back to NL Texas, you have to buy in with the amount that you left the NL Texas.

To your other questions, of course if you really really really try hard to rathole, you may succeed.

Ratholing at 108bbs is so sad.

So this doesn't happen if you don't leave tables and have long sessions? Just a bit confused about the discussion here.

Thanks, learnt something new. Guess people that don't start with BB never complain.

The live poker analogies ITT are pointless. Online poker is completely different and many practices would get you banned live (fighting to sit left of the whale, snap sitout when whale takes a break but still holding the seat etc).

I agree that anyone should be allowed to rathole if rules allow. I disagree that this is as a huge issue as you make it out to be. There is a limit for how much discrepancy there is before it's out of line, but only 1 (extreme playing habits) guy is complaining on Stars vs many on Party. I think the Stars algorithm is pretty good.

Whatever algorithm there is to balance seats, it should never favour players who leave every orbit to rebuy back into the pool. DUCY?

1) These people are rare.
2) These people make it the hardest for an algorithm (players in the pool are assigned new tables first, and when a new player joins it delays everything- much more complicated if new joiner has BB debt/other position debt).
3) (imo most important) If it turned out that this rebuy strategy gets you better positions, then every reg would do it, destroying the pool and making it unplayable.

So best case scenario the pool should even out for extreme ratholing. But I think getting a game as fast as possible is better experience for all, and I like the balance on Stars.

Well said ^

When I was playing zoom, I used sitout next bb at 125bb.

If I stacked someone I would sitout immediately, as I am very uncomfortable deep and would be anxiously awaiting the chance to reset. I know I am giving up EV doing this but I get anxious playing hands deep.

Then you aren’t giving up EV bruh.

i mean i and many others have huge samples where there is no unfair BB distribution

this argument about ratholing is also a bit silly, there are pros and cons to doing it, mostly it is absurdly silly to do it at 108bb but w/e it is the players right. the downsides are mostly for the player doing it, not the pool, so its one thing to make fun of it but ppl complaining about him being allowed to do it cause of the edge it gets or killing poker is just dumb

its 99% a reg who would do this, and results in less hands played by a (presumably) winning player, and less bb/100. there is basically no rec that is going to be losing vs a reg, but losing less or winning vs a reg when they are deeper vs each other lol

should just listen to waterguns posts obv knows what he is talking about

fyi i think 108 (or similar) ratholing is pretty uncommon (but more common than youd think) and 200bb ratholing is EXTREMELY common

fyi i think they have publicly stated that the bb is basically randomly chosen between entries that have been the BB last, of the (participants dealt into the new hand)

this makes a lot of sense, you can say more rake but obv also part of the appeal for zoom/fast poker for regs and recs is more hands/asap/less waiting.
so as soon as there is 6 players (or less if its short handed) there is a new hand dealt, not sure about the other positions which i think are just random but the bb is just who has been bb last (or random between multiple players). not sure if a multi tabling persons entries are counted separate

Recycling rules vary from casino to casino but usually after somewhere between 1hr to 2 hrs you can come back with the minimum in my experience.

rat holing at 108 doesnt kill poker, but ppl having the mentality that would lead them to do it is exactly the type of player recs dont like palying with and gives online poker a bad rap IMO

Yeah that’s fair enough I agree @ivanka

108bb, man i didn't think the thread could get any better but justDgmt keeps delivering.

Had that a few times on Ignition, surprised I didn't open in BB, next hand was always BB. Usually, non BB opens were EP or BU.

Don't agree that losing players miss the BB open, that is not my case. I play fast fold exclusively.

This only happens on pokerstars if you reset stacks or nah?

The only solution is to pull out the 109bb sims OP

89bb

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Ok, so:

a) Players (mostly gets BB when they sit down)
b) Then are "heavily weighted" to get SB and button
c) After that we are guessing that it is a 1/6 chance of getting the BB again

Well, then it is quite clear that there is absolutely no discrimination or rigg against a 108 bb ratholing gut - every time he wins 8 bb the first handful hands he has a 1/6 chance of getting BB next hand and being sat out, not getting the middle positions.

I see that more as a tax on stupidity, and think it is very good for poker, just as it should be.

^^ exactly that

Can somebody explain to me why these seating scripts need to be so complicated? Why not just remove “sit out next bb” button and give everyone a random position every hand? Recs won’t like it?

Yes recs won't like it. Some regs won't like it. C.F random shuffle in music playlists. With true random seating recs/some regs will quit poker earlier making it worse for everyone.

It might also cause some issues with "collusion" in small fields (me and a friend decide to sit in/out simultaneously).

And sit out next BB in zoom is something all regs want.

somebody ratholes each time he gains 8bb and you are thinking that removing 'sit out next bb' is the best option lololol

I mean I don't think PS designed zoom seating this way specifically to target ratholers. Just seems to me like if multiple sites are having issues with position imbalance, they could easily simplify things to fix the problem. Seems like most regs and all recs don't have a problem with it, though, so I suppose it doesn't really matter.