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Players possibly getting more hands in blinds, less on BU/CO @ Party Poker (Fast Forward games) Players possibly getting more hands in blinds, less on BU/CO @ Party Poker (Fast Forward games)

04-24-2021 , 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by dittoro
lol I'm trying to use logic to get somewhere in the discussion, u obviously don't use logic to get that conclusion only some type of gut-feeling. I agree looks pretty convincing but can't be somewhat sure unless we do some math. It's also an issue that everyone that gets dealt more hands in the blinds post in the threads and those who don't maybe stay away from posting.

I don't see the reason why people that play more tables would get more hands in the blinds than in other positions?
I’ve been winning playing only 1-2 ff and have more Co than BB
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04-24-2021 , 12:59 PM
It seems from just looking at some dice throw sims that these samples that people post are pretty much impossible to get if we assume that each seat is at equal probability. (Did some math too but not comfortable posting those results). I have a mate that is a winning reg that plays 2 ff tables on average and have more COs than expected. Could be correlated to how many tables u play maybe? Seems to match up with most of the posted results. The winning/losing conspiracy seems to just be correlated with the fact that winning players usually play more tables.
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04-24-2021 , 03:26 PM
I guess not everybody is using sitout next big blind
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04-24-2021 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by oneselfishguy
I guess not everybody is using sitout next big blind
we do
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04-24-2021 , 05:55 PM
Have Party said anything about this yet?
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04-24-2021 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by _jimbo_
Have Party said anything about this yet?
Not yet. On discord they are busy to inform who's on twitch live now and when the server will be down for maintenance. Btw does anyone know a site that some players have access to their hh while others don't in the same pool after so long time? Don't know a site that have done this and i play for 10years.
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04-24-2021 , 07:59 PM
was jolly ranchere banned for ip/email reasons?
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04-24-2021 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
was jolly ranchere banned for ip/email reasons?
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Originally Posted by jolly ranchere
meh it's fine, in contact with party directly anyway now, don't care what minions like you have to say anyway
Probably because he was a grade A ****
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04-24-2021 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by U shove i call
Probably because he was a grade A ****
that's nothing new for that account, and it's not like 2p2 doesn't have its fair share of douchebags

imo it's clearly an alt account so was curious if that's why he was banned
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04-24-2021 , 08:42 PM
I'll throw out some theories.

If most of this zoom-like short-handed player pool is superstitious enough not to leave after paying blinds, and only quit after playing a button or cut-off hand, then players who play longer sessions are going to naturally see more hands from the blinds to make up the difference, right?

Rec players might be more likely to go broke when not in the blinds *if* they can have a stronger range and are more likely to call it off in position than they are to get stacks in with a mediocre one over-pair type hand on the river out of position. Which feels right to me.

Of course, if any of that were true, you'd probably expect to see the same aberration on PokerStars Zoom.
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04-25-2021 , 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
was jolly ranchere banned for ip/email reasons?
7 day ban, I see the reason given was "Repeated insults after warning".
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04-25-2021 , 06:35 AM
This may be a dumb question, but humour me.

How is it possible for every player to play more hands in the blinds?

Do the players claiming that this happens to them believe that someone is out to get them?
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04-25-2021 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Pokerpops
This may be a dumb question, but humour me.

How is it possible for every player to play more hands in the blinds?

Do the players claiming that this happens to them believe that someone is out to get them?
there is a high likelihood that the players getting those COs are hesitant to share their databases
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04-25-2021 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Kanaxis
there is a high likelihood that the players getting those COs are hesitant to share their databases

srsly?
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04-25-2021 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Pokerpops
srsly?
1. if u read trough the thread you can find 1 example of a reg getting those COs

2. why would people share publicly how to get dealt more BU/COs and get rich?
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04-25-2021 , 04:15 PM
I don't play on party but can share my ACR experience for any comparisons

Right now I have 228,158 total hands at Blitz/Zoom/FF, total hands by position

EP - 37144
MP - 37951
CO - 38071
BTN - 38199
SB - 38319
BB - 38474

A tiny bit more in BB but sometimes I sit out earlier when closing tables and everything is between 16.2%-16.8% so nothing sticking out to me from this sample.
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04-25-2021 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Kanaxis
there is a high likelihood that the players getting those COs are hesitant to share their databases
There is close to a zero chance this is true.
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04-26-2021 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Kanaxis
there is a high likelihood that the players getting those COs are hesitant to share their databases
High likelihood? It's certainly possible, but there are enough other possible explanations that this seems like a rather premature conclusion.
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04-26-2021 , 07:31 AM
Im playing last ~13 months only partypoker I havent used once holdem manager to check anything, but for the purpose of this thread I looked in last 40k( can download only last 50k in last 40days)
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04-26-2021 , 10:25 AM
The odd thing for me about some of the results is that if it were due to people just not waiting for the big blind to leave table, then you would quite likely see linear trend, like

EP 900
MP 920
CO 940
BN 960
SB 980
BB 1000

But a few of the posters from the other posted results showed things like
EP 27k
MP 27k
CO 23k
BN 27k
SB 27k
BB 27k

i.e. the Button was fine, but CO was very far off.
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04-26-2021 , 11:14 AM
i would guess that 99% of regs use sit out next bb 99% of the time.
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04-26-2021 , 11:44 AM
some numbers that i have...

the way that the seating algorithm is constructed means the zoom pool often runs 3 handed, here is a 3 handed sample



some other numbers from high volume midstakes regs are

sb i was dealt 126k hands
bb 128k hands
btn 113k hands

we all mass table and concluded that it must be to do with how many entries you play or something. These sample sizes show that it cant possibly be to do with 'sit out out next bb'

also on party you have to manually download your hands so some chance its an import error, no idea
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04-26-2021 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Mayox
some numbers that i have...

the way that the seating algorithm is constructed means the zoom pool often runs 3 handed, here is a 3 handed sample
Bingo!

The ones who share your stats, I trust your filter so that you only look at stats where six players are seated at the table? Otherwise, if the table is 5-handed, there would be no CO... And then you do get less COs in your data set if you have a mixture of full tables and shorthanded ones.
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04-26-2021 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by oneselfishguy
Im playing last ~13 months only partypoker I havent used once holdem manager to check anything, but for the purpose of this thread I looked in last 40k( can download only last 50k in last 40days)
You can download 50k hands per file, but if you played +50k hands in the last 40 days you can still download them, you just have to do it 50k hands at a time.
For example if you play 10k hands per day, then select from March 16 (40 days ago) to March 21, and that would be 1 file of 50k hands, then you do the same from March 21 to March 26, and so on.
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04-26-2021 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by American Express
Bingo!

Otherwise, if the table is 5-handed, there would be no CO... And then you do get less COs in your data set if you have a mixture of full tables and shorthanded ones.
if its 5handed there still should be a CO, its the EP that disappears

not on party but only have CO-less hands if its heads-up
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