There was a thread started about this in NVG a couple of weeks ago:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...bu-co-1787901/

The thread was moved to Internet Poker, as is pretty standard for threads about site issues.

This could be a pretty big deal, and it could also be nothing more than a glitch in hand histories or tracking software. Either way, it seems like more information would be helpful, so I thought a thread here to draw attention to it would be helpful; hopefully NVG mods will be OK with this. (If not, please don't move this to IP - since we already have a thread, a second one won't be of much use. Worst case, just lock this up, please - but hopefully we can keep it open for a while at least.)

What I'm hoping is that people who have some numbers to add will go over there and do so. And while there will be general discussion in that thread, and that's fine, it would be nice to keep a stronger signal-to-noise ratio, so maybe the random LC posts could be kept here. But if you have stats to post, please do so in the IP thread; it's going to be confusing and counter-productive if they're posted in both threads.

How would you go about calculating the probablity of these irregularities? Seems like finding a good method for that is more important than getting alot of samples.

Your question implies that PP simply randomly assigns positions. I'm far from certain this is or is supposed to be the case. I think it's supposed to be by actual count? As in you get equal amounts of all positions

I wouldn't be suprised if there is some kind of system that makes sure that people get around the same amount of hands in each position, but that could never be perfect. If we calculate the probability of getting these samples by just assuming that the seats are randomly chosen with equal probability and we get that its pretty common to see these results then there's no issue, atleast to me.

Me and some other midstakes regs discussed this a while ago, but never did manage to figure it out

fwiw we all had this same difference over samples of hundreds of thousands of hands

i just checked my sample of ~250k hands (which will also include, at a complete guess, 30-40% non fast-forward hands).

nothing unusual whatsoever.

i use hem3. could this be significant?

Thank you for posting it here, I hope we can get to the bottom of this, I'm a bit worried I lot a significant amount of money playing over hundreds of thousands of hands on Party Poker recently

someone who uses HEM3 had the exact same hands as on HEM2 so no I don't believe so

over millions of hands posted by people and all are missing a similar amount in the CO? at this point you have to use logic and realize that this is close to impossible to be a coincidence from variance

Why we should be suspicious of play on any sites that don't allow full use of HUDs pt 94

This could be cleared up in seconds if non anonymous hand histories could be downloaded.

Seems we need large losing samples. The first one posted over in the other thread shows excess CO hands, if legit.

My friend told me that this is likely caused by an issue where people playing only one fastforward entry are getting more than their fair share of CO/BTNs, and those playing more entries are posting blinds more frequently.

To me it sounds more like incompetent coding, rather than a nefarious scheme of rigging the game to benefit recreational players. (Which would easily explain RECs being the beneficiaries, as they're the ones most likely 1-tabling.)

But it begs the question, that how in earth could partypoker be competent at catching bots and other cheats, when their security is not catching anomalities like these from their huge sample of data.

I stopped playing on party in 2019 when they stopped allowing HUDs, but under-the-counter 3rd party HUDs started were on the market within the week.

This sounds extremely likely, and obviously why fish are benefiting, the question now is, am I entitled to compensation? I have been 9 tabling ff, 6 tabling ff, etc, I'm missing a lot of COs and BTNs

also I think there is still a chance they did this to benefit fish because they know they are mostly 1 tabling, let's not assume they made this huge mistake by accident just yet

obviously this is only a sample of one person but i always play multiple entries and have a normal positional distribution.

can you post it? instead of saying it over and over again, because frankly nobody cares unless u post it

lmao, wow.

They're completely different things.
Why would anti-cheat software be looking for something like this?

lol I'm trying to use logic to get somewhere in the discussion, u obviously don't use logic to get that conclusion only some type of gut-feeling. I agree looks pretty convincing but can't be somewhat sure unless we do some math. It's also an issue that everyone that gets dealt more hands in the blinds post in the threads and those who don't maybe stay away from posting.

I don't see the reason why people that play more tables would get more hands in the blinds than in other positions?

Dumb question but... do you "sit out next big blind" 100% of the time or do you sometimes end sessions before being auto sat out at all tables?

pretty weird, i only get CO positions

Good luck getting any help at all chasing away people who genuinely seem to be wanting to help/contribute evidence. Some people just cant help themselves.

You are a muppet.

meh it's fine, in contact with party directly anyway now, don't care what minions like you have to say anyway

Alrighty, so I guess we don't need your participation anymore.

Not really, but hey, let's hijack the thread to complain about Party not catering to your hudbot style of play

I win on every site I play on, hud, anon HH or full HH.

So it's no skin off my nose.

What i posted was factual.

Collusion, bottling and quirks like this are easier to find and way easier to prove when the players have the tools and incentive to police games themselves

Party has a terrible rep.

It's the last I'll post on the HH issue as you are right it is a derail.

Samples from 1 tabling winning players or multitabling losing players would make things much more clear

I had a similar experience whenever I played FastForward so I doubt it's a bug with the hand history or tracking software. Figured it was ''fair'' since everybody is affected but I'm not so sure after seeing the last posts in the other thread.

Anyone else have some anecdotes?