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Originally Posted by tilter29
So you think that they are taking these hands away from players who are winning in the short term? I don't think that's what is happening because everyone who has posted their numbers seem to have similar stats with the cutoff being significally reduced. Since it appears to be evenly distributed amongst everyone, it's not based on wins or losses. It seems like it is anyone who plays on the site and who is a real person. If those hands aren't going to any people then they have to be going to bots. It's real simple. Nobody is coming forward saying they have more hands in the cutoff. It's not because someone wants to keep it secret because the people who have posted their numbers don't also release their screen name so that argument is nonsense. The most logical explanation is the sites have bots that they use to fill the games and they are giving them a positional advantage and are cheating their clients.
Party Poker is owned by GDC Holdings which is a publicly traded company. According to Inc.com, "It is a generally accepted accounting principle that financial statements must disclose all significant information that would be of interest to a concerned investor, creditor, or buyer." I would think this is relevant information that they would need to make available to their stockholders. They have to follow SEC Regulations so maybe someone who knows more about this can weigh in and give some expertise? If Party Poker is using bots, wouldn't they have to release that information to the public? Wouldn't the fact they are taking away hands in position from their players be something they have to disclose?
I believe that in the larger thread about this issue where it was originally brought up, there was one losing player that posted their stats and they had a lot more CO seats than the other positions and they were down a few hundred dollars from the sample posted.
The main issue with this is that the players that are gaining the advantage will be losing recreational players that are losing slower than they should, but they are still just playing for fun and losing slowly and likely don't use any tracking software and won't be aware of, or have any reason to look into this to help us out with learning more about it.
Obviously it could be bots too, this doesn't really change anything about whether this is bad for serious players that frequent their fast fold games though. Party are running unfair games, no matter which way we look at it.
I have played on another site to Party, and noticed that I was getting less EP seats than I should, and more SB and BB seats to compensate. So this seating issue could also exist elsewhere too.
When you play regular tables, you typically play slighly more BTN's and CO's compared to SB's and BB's because fish will bust and not complete full orbits. This dynamic surely occurs in the fast fold pools so why do regs not get dealt slightly less in the blinds when fish post their BB for every orbit that they participate in, but if they bust and quit before they complete an orbit, this should mean that the group of fishy busto players as a whole should have a larger amount of BB seats and less in the other seats as they always post the BB but don't complete their final orbits. As a result this should in theory mean that regs that always complete their orbits benefit from this by occasionally getting dealt 7 hands before paying their BB again right?