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Old 07-26-2009, 10:05 PM   #101
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Yes, a sweatshop of superusers if you can believe that. We are working to confirm the story.
I used to work with Pitbull and I can confirm they hired people that worked for them in their office in San Pedro (suburb of San Jose - Costa Rica) to start tables at the time they did not take any real action their only task was to get tables started but knowing Kevin Baronowski's greed there is no doubt that he later had them see hole cards too. Please also see this post at 4flush http://www.4flush.com/online-poker/s...=1711#post1711
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Old 07-26-2009, 10:05 PM   #102
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It could actually be a good thing, might show that banning it forces players to play on shady unregulated sites run by questionable characters.
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Old 07-26-2009, 10:09 PM   #103
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If you want to bring them down send your complaints to:
http://www.treppides.com/contact.html they handle their company in Cyprus
http://dragonara.net/contact.html their hosting provider
http://www.amigotechs.com/www2/en/contact.php their casino software provider for www.pitbullcasino.com
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Old 07-26-2009, 10:13 PM   #104
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This is gonna be another blackeye for online poker if true, and even though they are a nobody in the business, the media will make a big deal out of it, and then we'll get some more Kentucky/Montana stuff again where some politicians will try to block access.
Pitbull was actually one of the domains in the Kentucky case
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Old 07-26-2009, 10:21 PM   #105
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Re: Pitbull Poker potential cheating scandal

I find it interesting that there is a June 2009 article in Bluff Latinamerica, written by David Brenes, titled:

"Sistemas de Seguridad y Antifraude utilizados por las salas en línea"

(Security and Antifraud Systems Used by Online Gaming Rooms)


The content of this article will help us in determining the capacity in which David "Dave" Brenes was really involved in illegal Pitbull Poker operations. If anyone already has, or gets, an online subscription to this magazine, feel free to PM me. I'll gladly translate the article for the rest of TwoPlusTwo.

Also, Bluff Latinamerica likely has current contact information for David Brenes and his associates, which could be valuable in the near future.

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Old 07-26-2009, 10:44 PM   #106
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It could actually be a good thing, might show that banning it forces players to play on shady unregulated sites run by questionable characters.
No, there are many reputable sites readily available today. Another cheating site will make them look bad too.
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Old 07-26-2009, 11:00 PM   #107
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Re: Pitbull Poker potential cheating scandal

To late to re-edit, so just thought I'd say that one additional note of interest is that offices for Bluff Latinamerica are located in San Jose, Costa Rica.
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Old 07-26-2009, 11:01 PM   #108
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No one caught my hint above lol...

Dave Brenes and Jeremy Brenes are probably the same person. Jeremy Brenes is the former Licensee Manager of APG Enterprises Ltd of Costa Rica. Looks like he is making a career out of representing shady firms. Dave has sad he worked for Action poker before, which is an APG company. When you spend too much time lying you get your lies mixed up I guess. He had a little slip of the tongue(finger) in some correspondence sent to me and gave it away lol.

http://www.point-spreads.com/industr...licensees.html

In the 2nd to last paragraph Brenes is mentioned.

It is interesting to note that Playsafe Holdings, which purchased tons of online poker assets such as the action network from Las Vegas from Home, has the same mail drop in the BVI that one of the shareholders of Dimensus used.

It could be a coincidence. A lot of businesses use this address I think. But who knows. These shell businesses do their jobs well and really confuse things.
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Old 07-26-2009, 11:09 PM   #109
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Re: Pitbull Poker potential cheating scandal

I found a profile on 4kingpoker.com for pbdave.

http://www.4kingpoker.com/forum/members/pbdave.html

His contact information is the following:

MSN = dave@pitbullgaming.com
Skype = Jeremy.Brenes


If I'm breaking rules mods, I apologize. Only posted these to confirm that Dave Brenes and Jeremy Brenes are in fact the same person.
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Old 07-26-2009, 11:25 PM   #110
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No one caught my hint above lol...

Dave Brenes and Jeremy Brenes are probably the same person. Jeremy Brenes is the former Licensee Manager of APG Enterprises Ltd of Costa Rica. Looks like he is making a career out of representing shady firms. Dave has sad he worked for Action poker before, which is an APG company. When you spend too much time lying you get your lies mixed up I guess. He had a little slip of the tongue(finger) in some correspondence sent to me and gave it away lol.

http://www.point-spreads.com/industr...licensees.html

In the 2nd to last paragraph Brenes is mentioned.

It is interesting to note that Playsafe Holdings, which purchased tons of online poker assets such as the action network from Las Vegas from Home, has the same mail drop in the BVI that one of the shareholders of Dimensus used.

It could be a coincidence. A lot of businesses use this address I think. But who knows. These shell businesses do their jobs well and really confuse things.
Pitbull did snatch some people from sales at APG, I also had dealings with APG lately, but I confirm the two have no ties other than kevin hiring several of their staff. APG also just moved offices from la sabana to Escazu
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:04 AM   #111
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Thanks, I didn't really think there was a connection beyond that, this does seem like a Kevin alone operation.

Do you have the physical address for the pitbull offices?
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:09 AM   #112
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Chesterboy,

Good work and keep fighting the good fight. If I can be of any help with this let me know, something seems shady for sure, Good luck in uncovering the truth
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:01 AM   #113
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Thanks, I didn't really think there was a connection beyond that, this does seem like a Kevin alone operation.

Do you have the physical address for the pitbull offices?
They just changed offices, and it is not easy to track them down unless you get really sneaky, a lot of these operations are run out of houses they rent and transform into offices. And I do not remember the name of the company they operate under here but it definitely is not Pitbull or Dimensus, I will try to find out through my lawyer if it is possible to get that information but I highly doubt it.
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:04 AM   #114
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do you have a former address?
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:07 AM   #115
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do you have a former address?
No, I just know how to get there and it was in San Pedro
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:31 AM   #116
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Re: Pitbull Poker potential cheating scandal

i was pretty skeptical when chester first posted in IF but the haste of Pitbull in changing and deleting from their site says volumes imo...

also if they are innocent they would probably try and stay as transparent as possible...pbdave leaving, to me, also means something is wrong...

all in all, something shady is up...
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:38 AM   #117
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At some point this thread will have to be controlled. There is an insider that used to work for this company and everyone seems to be ignoring him.

As much as I like watching these developments, this is a crucial time and everyone is showing pitbull their hand at the moment. Some of this stuff unfortunately needs to be done behind the scenes. This is why the U.S. cut all media and most communications before invading Iraq. Guys they are clearly watching every move here, and are watching the battle plan unfold in real time.

Not sure what the solution is, chesterfield you have done a great job in putting the work necessary in this. IMO this now needs a leader and a direction, if you want to do this(as you have been) you are taking on a pretty big task. If not, maybe there is another qualified volunteer?

Again, try not to show your hand but at the same time keep 2+2 involved. Good job so far
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:49 AM   #118
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Re: Pitbull Poker potential cheating scandal

No offence to Pitbullblows but can we please get a mod to do an ip check and make sure he is not Dave Brenes or anyone at the company.
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:49 AM   #119
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Most stuff being done right now is not being talked about in any forums. I haven't posted anything in this thread that I thought would matter if they pulled offline. I have assumed Kevin etc is reading everything and acting accordingly.
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:56 AM   #120
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Guys I have 100% confirmation that they are watching this thread. If you have any time sensitive or break through discovery I would suggest pm'ing chesterboy first, or get screenshots or whatever to secure the info before they can delete it
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:57 AM   #121
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DB just made a statement in the internet poker thread
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:58 AM   #122
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No offence to Pitbullblows but can we please get a mod to do an ip check and make sure he is not Dave Brenes or anyone at the company.
Ananthar (mod)stated in the Internet Poker thread that they are unique ip's both from Costa Rica, FWIW
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Old 07-27-2009, 02:07 AM   #123
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Re: Pitbull Poker potential cheating scandal

Guys,

Ok this is now getting out of hand and you are taking this too far away.

Jeremy is a nickname from before in my personal life, I always liked and I used it to open my first Skype account, that was all. I am not hiding behind a fake name, and second, Bluff LA has nothing to do with anything here, I write articles as freelance and for free for them. Leave them be as they do not relate to me in any other way.

I do not have any ownership on any company and I was simply here to help, but you guys are making a storm our of a glass of water. Please stop inventing excuses and allegations.

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Old 07-27-2009, 02:19 AM   #124
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Re: Pitbull Poker potential cheating scandal

pbdave would you address the main concerns of the forum if there was some mod or respected individual acting as mediator so that there would be no personal attacks and nonsensical posts. regardless of whether the accusations are true or not, non-transparency is not good for your company and many, if not most, of the 2+2 community would just rather assume shadiness than support and play at your site.

for me personally, I really have yet to see any hard evidence as to cheating although the recent actions of Pitbull do seem to sway towards some sort of shady activity.
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Old 07-27-2009, 02:39 AM   #125
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Guys,

Yes, personal attacks, witch hunting (I must add) and nonsensical posts are getting way too much... I think many here are just getting a chance to speak out for the sake of saying something and be part of the mayhem. I don't really appreciate the attitude the people is taking towards me and I don't feel I have disrespected anyone here to be the target of insults and speculations about who I am and what I do.

If you focus on the real issue of this wretched story it's a bunch of HHs requested by two players, one long ago and one recently. The first one was requested from day 1 and since then it has not been on my power to make it happen, it was on the hands of the DB manager. I am nobody's boss here to distribute the priorities of the tasks, so for several reasons the HH request was not on the top of the list as we were focusing the technical efforts on other projects. Added to that, such request was not easy to perform by our DB given the way the archive server works and the format we programmed. As for the most recent, when request was made, we simply followed up a policy which is not sending HHs, especially that large, because it is not a service we have available, reason why players could get them from the poker room.

I do understand the non-transparency issue and how important is, but it is not a decision I make. I hope you all calm down and get back to your senses and realize all I have been here is to provide one more venue of support to players. I am sorry to close it, but you guys leave me no choice with the attitude.

I will request the HHs tomorrow, but I cannot guarantee they will be processed and when would they be processed as it is not within my power to decide that.

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