on a scale from 1 to giselle, she rates a....

Scott is as reliable a source as you will find out there on multiple poker topics

This post wreaks of jealousy from an FPP incented, Z list "online" "pro".

Just because Pokerstars signed you for 40000 VPPS if you play 5 trillion hands per month at $20 tourneys, DOESNT mean great players can't get millions of real money from site sponsorship!

Ivey attracted me to Full Tilt and I mustve raked them over a $1000 in real money at least, and theres alot of people in the world!

I bet if you asked 90 people who Ivey is, 86 would say "Yeah of course, its that black dude whose good at poker".

10 mill value for Iveys signature is underestimating things bigtime IMHO

I think 60 million would be a better representation of his value to a site

This guy is a god among mortals and Luccetta (or whatever her name is?) should've done anything she couldve to hold onto him (including letting him bang hookers in front of her face and permanently leaving the toilet seat up at home)

Why, if she can fight for half of all of it and do whatever she wants?

I've been reading 2+2 for well over 10 years now, and I have seen some really stupid things posted. This possibly jumps to the top of my list.

Doubt AllBlackDan knows who Shaniac is. What a terrible post.

Is this for real, I mean you actually think its that High, Really? , Nah.

What does love have to do with it? He might still love her. This is the type of marriage that can't handle any real strain. He has a ton of options and she probably has less options. It's not like they have children together.

So if they aren't getting along what is holding them together? What else is she bringing to the table that he can't live without?

She wrote on her website that they both wanted the divorce. It all comes down to her wanting to end up with half of his money. Her wanting to end up with half of his money means that she only really cares about revenge and not love. In her mind she feels that she is worth half of the money. So if that's her mentality then it's kind of hard for her to get mad when he trys to not pay it.

Especially the way he earned it. He earned it by being excellent at something. The absolute best at something. Dealing with huge adersity. It's just wrong to take away his gambling capital. It represents his future earnings potential.

She'll earn half of it by seeing him 10 hours a week and living in a 2 million dollar house with a maid. Having unlimited food to eat of the highest quality and a maid to do all the extra housework. He probably only went with it this long because he was worried about how he could get out of it and keep his fortune intact. I'm sure there were plenty of signs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu8KFlfzk3Y&ob=av3e

This post would be a hall of fame level if only it was a level.

Shaniac some "Z level on line pro". Wow. Everything the guy does represents poker in a positive light.

ask 90 people 86 will know Ivey? The number is probably closer to 5 and if you show the rest a picture more will say " is that tiger woods?" then "oh yeah the poker guy"

10 million for iveys signature? Maybe at the wynn or bellagio casino ( on a marker)

60 million is a better representation of his value to the site? That is closer to THE ENTIRE VALUE OF THE SITE at this point.

Your god among mortals post is too lame and too sad to even comment on.

"or even particularly interesting as a poker player other than his results". What would make him interesting to you Shaniac?

What do you want him to do to become more interesting as a poker player? Lose? Wear a hoodie and dance around when he wins a hand like Layne Flack?

There's no need to ignore his reality because it isn't your reality. The major reason he doesn't go on 60 minutes or have someone do a profile on his life is that he's too busy getting those results.

He's the most valuable player to a poker site period. His compensation would seem absurd to outsiders. Would it be absurd if you heard Gary Kasparov were paid 10 million dollars?

Whether true or not that's how the public views him. Him,negreau, and Hellmuth are the most well known players. Daniel is the only one that's close to Ivey's fame.

I think he missed a decimal point, he meant 8.6 people.


Now if you asked 90 people which is the correct spelling ("whose good at poker" vs. "who's good at poker" , 86 would answer correctly.

For Christ sake! Now we have a law that says we have to be polite? Where will they stop.

You're probably right that Ivey is still worth millions to a poker site. I don't even know why I am typing, since I knew it would bring responses like AllBlackDan's. I just consider Ivey sort of boring and unfriendly.

If you watch Daniel (or Hellmuth) play somewhere like the WSOP, you will notice they engage fans and other players at the table and generally embraces the role as a public figure in poker.

When Ivey sits at the table, he sucks all the energy out of the table and creates this cooler-than-everybody atmosphere while he devotes his attention to the two cellphones he's carrying around. Basically, I just think he embodies a kind of intellectually-dead, fake-cool persona.

Mostly I just wanted to point out that no publisher would pay him $20M for a book when there are legitimately famous/interesting/accomplished people throughout history who get paid a fraction of that for writing books on their life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrave...d_introversion

Extraverts (also spelled extroverts[1]) tend to be gregarious, assertive, and interested in seeking out external stimulus. Introverts, in contrast, tend to be introspective, quiet and less sociable. They are not necessarily loners but they tend to have fewer numbers of friends. Introversion does not describe social discomfort but rather social preference: an introvert may not be shy but may merely prefer fewer social activities.

Ambiversion is a balance of extrovert and introvert characteristics. Most people (about 68% of the population) are considered to be ambiverts, while extraverts and introverts represent the extremes on the scale, with about 16% representation for each.

Interesting, I didn't know there were two acceptable spellings of "extrovert."

haha nice putdown- agree with your arguments as well shaniac- I mean Hellmuth has met a lot of big names- Ivey would have had the same opportunity but didn`t seem to have the slightest interest- as a result hes not as invaluable an asset to fulltilt as he could have been

wow, sounds like she has a really legit case to me. WTF at the judge not recusing himself? That's the least professional thing I've ever heard... I think that cardplayer article is quite damning for ivey (one where he talks about how influential his wife was in his career).

To be fair I wrote book(s). When I wrote it I was thinking like a Harrington on Hold em type deal. Where he writes 3 books. With the Kindle and the new royalty structures if he priced his books at 18 dollars each he might clear 12 dollars a book. You figure over time he'll sell probably a half a million copies of each book.

I do agree that he does have that vibe. I figure if you call him out on it you put yourself at his level. I wouldn't back off him at all if I had the opportunity to play against him. You almost have to be like Full Flush to break that barrier. Just kind of put on an obnoxious counter-persona to that. Start ribbing him and busting his chops.

I think that's why Durrr gets a lot of respect. He's one of the few people that doesn't back down against him.

After hearing Daniel recently get emotional about homeless people I'm more of a fan. Idk what the final verdict is on any of this stuff. I know Hellmuth is a total nut though. Which is hilarious.

Wouldn't it be reasonable to think maybe Ivey's up to something. If they feel all their money from FTP may be at risk of confiscation, why not get "divorced" and let her get a huge sum of money they can't touch?

OK! Turns out I have no idea what I'm talking about and the truth is my dim opinion of Ivey's personality stems from the last time I played with him at bay 101 and he was just the worst buzz kill ever.

Anyway I went down the 2+2 rabbit hole and came out an NVG hater. Sorry for the derail.

Also, I need to get to work on a Harrington type series of books.

I thought about mentioning this but decided against because saying anything anti-Ivey will usually bring the full wrath of NVG upon a person.

Anything is possible but as careless as all of the other owners of FT were with their money it's hard to believe Ivey would be the one smart enough to try to protect some of his assets.

Book writing is getting more plus ev by the day. They are selling those kindles like crazy. I'll buy your book. I bet if you talk to Mason they would help you out. If you get momentum and good comments on Kindle it can really pick up steam. Even having an audience like 2plu2 would be enough for you to get started.

This is unfair, I don't know for sure because obviously I don't know the guy but I'd imagine he acted the exact same way at the poker table before he was ever GOAT like he is now. Yeah his personality isn't obviously as marketable or good for the game as a whole like DN or PHs, but I dont think hes trying to fake anything, imo hes just out there to play poker and not giving a **** about attention whoring like DN and PH do.

i didn't think we would live to see the day we would start calling Ivey a degenerate lol.. if there's one poker player who isn't playing like a degenerate it's Ivey. apart from shooting craps and stuff he's solid all around.

ivey may not be the most caring or social guy out there but I still respect him a lot as a poker player and he's an example (or should be) to all of us

feminist alert! (get as far away as you can from women like this) im sure she learned all about how she "deserves" half of her mans money in her classes.