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Adjective
oriental (comparative more oriental, superlative most oriental)
eastern, of the east, of or relating to the Orient especially Asiatic, but most commonly to the Far East.
Note: this term is considered by some to be objectionable in American English.

i had no intention to offend.. just copied it off the op link. But I'm curious as to why some find it offensive..

01-02-2013 , 06:47 PM

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Pilkain

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That's her hand

01-02-2013 , 06:58 PM

#853

GeleHaas

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Did he get his money?

Last edited by GeleHaas; 01-02-2013 at 06:58 PM. Reason: How can you not see it's her hand?

01-02-2013 , 07:09 PM

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Christ, De 'Berg!

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Quote:

Originally Posted by joeschmoe

i had no intention to offend.. just copied it off the op link. But I'm curious as to why some find it offensive..

From Wikipedia

Quote:

"Oriental" is a term that is not inherently negative as it implies a geographical area[citation needed]. However, some people believe the term is antiquated, pejorative, and disparaging due to its allegedly Eurocentric usage in the United States.

John Kuo Wei Tchen, director of the Asian/Pacific/American Studies Program and Institute at New York University, said the basic critique of the term developed in the 1970s. “With the anti-war movement in the ’60s and early ’70s, many Asian Americans identified the term ‘Oriental’ with a Western process of racializing Asians as forever opposite ‘others,’” said Tchen. Oriental: Rugs or People?

In an official 2009 press release, Governor David A. Patterson and Senator Craig Johnson of New York made the following statements:

“Allowing derogatory and hateful language to linger in public discourse and gain legitimacy through its inclusion in official State documents is improper and inexcusable," said Senator Craig Johnson.

"The words we use matter. We in government recognize that what we print in official documents or forms sets an example of what is acceptable. With this legislation, we take action against derogatory speech and set a new standard. The word ‘oriental’ does not describe ethnic origin, background or even race; in fact, it has deep and demeaning historical roots. I am pleased to sign this legislation and remove the phrase from reprinted forms and documents." Governor David A. Patterson, New York

01-02-2013 , 07:25 PM

#855

David123

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AKingdom

Is that Ivey's hand on her back? It looks creepy and clawish. I think a short Asian dude might be standing behind Ivey though.

bait or you need glasses.

01-02-2013 , 07:27 PM

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moki

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Quote:

Originally Posted by joeschmoe

i had no intention to offend.. just copied it off the op link. But I'm curious as to why some find it offensive..

How occidental of you.

01-02-2013 , 07:40 PM

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joeschmoe

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Christ, De 'Berg!

From Wikipedia

Thanks for finding that.
Still, I have never seen or heard the word "oriental" used in a derogatory manner. There are plenty of other choice words to choose from.. with fewer syllables and much easier for the bigots to spell.

I can understand why some Asians might object to being identified with certain of the more vocal and radical anti-war elements who used the word..

The Oriental Student Union (OSU) at Seattle Central Community College (SCCC) was founded in 1970. It modeled itself after the campus Black Student Union (BSU), which during the 1968-9 school year had used direct action protests to demand black studies and the hiring of black administrators and faculty. When the OSU-- led by Alan Sugiyama and former Black Panther Mike Tagawa-- decided that the SCCC administration was not moving quickly enough on the its demands that the school hire five Asian administrators, the OSU staged a sit-in on February 9, 1971, and took over SCCC offices more forcefully on March 2, 1971.

......While few opposed the principle of hiring Asian administrators, conservative forces in the Asian American community strongly disagreed with OSU tactics. And while the Black Panther Party supported OSU actions, most of Seattle's black community, including the campus BSU, did not.
Link

So, please don't try and pin this one on us occidentals..

Last edited by joeschmoe; 01-02-2013 at 07:52 PM.

01-02-2013 , 07:51 PM

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moki

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Quote:

Originally Posted by joeschmoe

Clicky

01-02-2013 , 08:01 PM

#859

joeschmoe

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Quote:

Originally Posted by moki

Clicky

google links need something extra.. that leads to the main search page.. [EDIT.. it was ok. I just didn't give it enough time. Never seen that one before.]

my point is, the conflict over the use of the word "oriental" originated in a disagreement among Asians. Westerners had nothing to do with it.
After the word was deemed offensive, then some people might use it in an offensive manner, but not before.

Last edited by joeschmoe; 01-02-2013 at 08:14 PM.

01-02-2013 , 10:03 PM

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ShizzMoney

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Looks like Phil learned from Barry quick

01-02-2013 , 10:57 PM

#861

Kittens

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Quote:

Originally Posted by joeschmoe

Thanks for finding that.
Still, I have never seen or heard the word "oriental" used in a derogatory manner.

What's derogatory can be the fact that the person's race had to be mentioned at all.

01-02-2013 , 11:30 PM

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Can be? Sure.. so might be mentioning someone's weight, or height, or hair color.. i.e. blondes. It's all about intent.

If you aim to describe an unknown person, physical appearance is a major thing. I'm sure that is all the reporters for the Daily Mail had on their minds.

01-03-2013 , 12:12 AM

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ecalien_redux

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That chicks elbow looks mad pointy from behind.

01-03-2013 , 12:42 AM

#864

lolwasntme

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wtf? are we in OOT now?

01-03-2013 , 01:12 AM

#865

iLikeCaliDonks

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ShizzMoney

Looks like Phil learned from Barry quick

Hilarious!

01-03-2013 , 01:39 AM

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Watch it buddy....
Stereotypes of East Asian women
The Dragon Lady
See also: Dragon Lady

East Asian women have been portrayed as aggressive or opportunistic sexual beings or predatory gold diggers using their feminine wiles.
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.. better (and safer) to err on the side of the politically correct academic view.

01-03-2013 , 02:24 AM

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hs3c

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thread officially derailed...

so did Ivey get paid yet?

01-03-2013 , 02:31 AM

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joeschmoe

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if you're gonna delete that other one, please delete my response. Thank you.

It's not derailed. This Asian babe is probably the core reason Ivey hasn't been paid.

01-03-2013 , 03:51 AM

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AKingdom

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Quote:

Originally Posted by joeschmoe

if you're gonna delete that other one, please delete my response. Thank you.

It's not derailed. This Asian babe is probably the core reason Ivey hasn't been paid.

You are derailing, not just in this thread but in others too. I also couldn't help noticing that you make a huge amount of posts in each thread. You posted 38 times in the Gus Hansen Tweet thread, 38 times!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pilkain

That's her hand

Ha! I can't believe I didn't notice that that's her hand. In my defense I think that my screen was set pretty dark last night.

01-03-2013 , 05:03 AM

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joeschmoe

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couldn't help noticing?
Next time, don't go through a thread and count them.
That might help you not-notice.

I maintain the Asian woman, who was banned from some other Mayfair casino and was also Ivey's companion here, is a key component in this story.

In order to be polite, I'm forced to repeat myself. You made me waste another precious post.. It's your fault.

01-03-2013 , 09:34 AM

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huntse

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Is there any evidence any of this actually happened? The Daily Mail is not exactly a reputable source of news.

01-03-2013 , 12:16 PM

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Doc T River

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hs3c

thread officially derailed...

so did Ivey get paid yet?

I can't believe it's a new year, but this is still going on.

Last edited by Doc T River; 01-03-2013 at 12:18 PM. Reason: I mean Ivey not getting paid, not that the thread is still going on

01-03-2013 , 04:21 PM

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coolhandscott

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I remember reading about this, it's nuts that it has still gone unpaid!

01-04-2013 , 02:36 AM

#874

Tuma

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ivey's impulse to roll 150k dice is greater than most impulses to do anything.

01-04-2013 , 02:41 AM

#875

champstone

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maybe phil will tweet about this . something like this must be like ftp players felt like after black Friday. then again he could file a lawsuit against the woman with him , for the casino he always is thinking of others.

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