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Phil Hellmuth cements his status as the tournament GOAT Phil Hellmuth cements his status as the tournament GOAT

07-05-2023 , 11:40 AM
a wild bear could **** in a bathtub, but Daniel Negreanu isn’t likely to win any desert jewelry anytime soon
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07-05-2023 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
Chidwick probably was not interested because there was going to be a lot of talking, playing fast, gambling, and having fun
best Chidwick repellant is to have at least 2 beers in the cupholders at the table. He wouldn't dare sit down then.
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07-05-2023 , 08:08 PM
Way less than 1/100,000, but hard to win 2 in 1 year.
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07-06-2023 , 11:17 AM
Tournaments were so easy back in the day. That's why so many people have 10+ bracelets from that era, right?
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07-06-2023 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkOne
Tournaments were so easy back in the day. That's why so many people have 10+ bracelets from that era, right?
I invite anyone to find some random board game with a small player base and go win the world championships. If millions of people were to play that game for hours every single day for years Im sure we will look back in 20 years and see that the fields are super soft right now. Easy WC titles up for grabs for the geniuses of 2+2.
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07-06-2023 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkOne
Tournaments were so easy back in the day. That's why so many people have 10+ bracelets from that era, right?
he's the best open field tournament player ever in wsop. but yes they were super soft back then. what's impressive is he unlike most from back then has been able to continue to have success.

Tournaments even today are largely a marketing thing. They draw players in. He's a terrible cash game player. So guys crushing high stakes games back then weren't going to waste their time grinding tournaments the way he did back then bc there was way more money to be made in cash. It's not like the best players in the world back then for the most part were out there trying to win bracelets.
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07-06-2023 , 03:57 PM
I think fish play against Hellmuth so they can say they bluffed the best player in the world, like McDermott did against Chan. Phil just has to call and profit.

That could be his secret...

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07-06-2023 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by borg23
It's not like the best players in the world back then for the most part were out there trying to win bracelets.
Doyle, and Stu Ungar, and Johnny Chan, and Erik Seidel, and Phil Ivey were not trying to win bracelets back then? Weren't they the best players in the world at that time?
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07-06-2023 , 06:19 PM
WSOP bracelets is a marketing thing for fanboys. Hellmuth built his brand around that and plays as much as possible events every year to expand it, ignoring other series like Wynn's with better structures and dealers.Also he can have a losing year but win a badugi event of 200 entrants and media will be like "hellmuth win another one,he is the GOAT"
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07-06-2023 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Swann99
Doyle, and Stu Ungar, and Johnny Chan, and Erik Seidel, and Phil Ivey were not trying to win bracelets back then? Weren't they the best players in the world at that time?
Doyle didn't even play in the WSOP at all for like 10 years. He only played high buyin events. Chip Reese was one of the best. He mostly played the 1500/3000 or whatever mixed game at Bellagio with Doyle, Ivey, and some others, and didn't play tournaments at all. Ungar, like Hellmuth, was not a good high stakes cash game player.
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07-06-2023 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by omg&3lol
WSOP bracelets is a marketing thing for fanboys. Hellmuth built his brand around that and plays as much as possible events every year to expand it, ignoring other series like Wynn's with better structures and dealers.Also he can have a losing year but win a badugi event of 200 entrants and media will be like "hellmuth win another one,he is the GOAT"
The GOAT doesn’t need to play in a $2,000 Wynn event to prove anything to us
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07-06-2023 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Swann99
Doyle, and Stu Ungar, and Johnny Chan, and Erik Seidel, and Phil Ivey were not trying to win bracelets back then? Weren't they the best players in the world at that time?
Most of those guys played the main back then and not much else. They didn't grind every event the way he did. Barry Greenstein has discussed this several times.

I mean think about it late 80s early 90s you're playing huge cash games and you're gonna stop to play these events when you have a table full of droolers ready to punt off 5/6 figures.

Look at Helmuth hendon AFTER he won the main.hes still out there cashing in tons of 300-500 dollar events. And back then they played 10 percent of the field in most cases. Even if he cashed in 25 percent he was still playing a ton of small tournaments while other guys were crushing high stakes cash.

And yea with it hard to learn since there were almost no resources someone like him playing more than everyone got really good at them.

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07-06-2023 , 07:56 PM



What in the name of Christ
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07-06-2023 , 08:00 PM
Very nice chest
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07-06-2023 , 08:01 PM
Love it
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07-06-2023 , 10:06 PM
Lmao shout out to Dan Cates living his best life
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07-06-2023 , 10:14 PM
Life is a show. Thanks Phil/Jungle.
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07-07-2023 , 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
The GOAT doesn’t need to play in a $2,000 Wynn event to prove anything to us
The point is that he is playing only WSOP events and that seems that he is trying to prove himself as the best because for some reason bracelets are more important for fanboys than his actual ROI
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07-07-2023 , 08:48 AM
Hellmuth's ROI is massive, who knows what ****ing Chidwick's is
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07-07-2023 , 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by deuceblocker
Doyle didn't even play in the WSOP at all for like 10 years. He only played high buyin events. Chip Reese was one of the best. He mostly played the 1500/3000 or whatever mixed game at Bellagio with Doyle, Ivey, and some others, and didn't play tournaments at all. Ungar, like Hellmuth, was not a good high stakes cash game player.
Doyle, Chip and a few others didn't play out of loyalty to Benny when Becky Binion created a mess with ownership with her dad. There are more specifics in a few books, like Doyle's biography.
Theres also the famous story when Doyle asked to be removed from the WSOP final table because he was afraid he wouldn't be able to make a living if he won a third main event.
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07-07-2023 , 10:07 AM
Remember Patrik Antonius doesn't bother to be in the WSOP, he makes more elsewhere. The buy-ins are simply too low. Think about the money you lose sitting there...even if you get into the money. For some reason Hellmuth collects bracelets, to each their own.
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07-07-2023 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by davepoker
Doyle, Chip and a few others didn't play out of loyalty to Benny when Becky Binion created a mess with ownership with her dad. There are more specifics in a few books, like Doyle's biography.
Theres also the famous story when Doyle asked to be removed from the WSOP final table because he was afraid he wouldn't be able to make a living if he won a third main event.
Doyle was removed in the 1972 main event "final table" (there were only 8 players) It was basically a sham of an event when it got down to 3 people with Amarillo Slim handed first place since he was by far the best talker and promoter for poker and Brunson at the time wanted nothing to do with that.

This wouldn't have given Doyle a third main event . Brunson won in 76 and 77.

https://archive.ph/20130421083751/ht..._the_wsop.html
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07-07-2023 , 11:26 AM
Great article! Thanks for sharing
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07-07-2023 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by omg&3lol
The point is that he is playing only WSOP events and that seems that he is trying to prove himself as the best because for some reason bracelets are more important for fanboys than his actual ROI
No he doesn’t only play WSOP events. I mean he does during this month and a half but he’s just like one of the thousands of people that just like to focus on wsop and enjoy these events.

It would serve no purpose running over to the Wynn for some random 1 or 3K or whatever they might be running. He might not even know what they are running over there. That’s for a different group of fanboys.

Hellmuth has nothing to prove to omg&3lol, or anyone else. Two HOF careers, pre and post Moneymaker
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07-07-2023 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
No he doesn’t only play WSOP events. I mean he does during this month and a half but he’s just like one of the thousands of people that just like to focus on wsop and enjoy these events.

It would serve no purpose running over to the Wynn for some random 1 or 3K or whatever they might be running. He might not even know what they are running over there. That’s for a different group of fanboys.

Hellmuth has nothing to prove to omg&3lol, or anyone else. Two HOF careers, pre and post Moneymaker
Wynn's tournament was an example,does he plays Aria's tournaments? No. Does he play highrollers outside of WSOP events? No. Of course he doesn't have to prove anything. He is doing his job and he is doing great
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