Maths, GTO, Variance...It's all about magic.

Amen. Tilts the **** out of me when Deeb and dnegs give their perfect analyses based on seeing the hole cards. If Phil did have a boat or a flush and jungle called everyone would've said dumb gto kid he's never bluffing there.

Whoa whoa whoa... Was that a Jungleman t-shirt?

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I don't like to use the word literally very often, but I don't believe there would literally be anyone who wasn't trolling who would say a call there was dumb. This was an all time terrible fold. Jungle is awesome etc but yah...

I'm not one to fall for conspiracy theories but this hand made me wonder if the whole thing was rigged

You highly underestimate how results oriented people are. Many Twitch viewers and 2+2ers can't help but form their opinion based on what cards the opponent has.

James Obst folded a full house in the WSOP ME last year. He happened to be up against a straight flush, so the peanut gallery declared him a genius. Later on, he folded a flush on a paired board, was wrong, and was berated for being a nit.

I don't like Jungle's fold either, but this guy is absolutely right. If Phil had the goods and Jungle called, a lot of armchair experts would say it's a clear fold.

I think a lot of people are in agreement that regardless of whether Jungle was beat or not, a call there is always correct(And I mean literally 100% of the time in that specific situation) But I do agree that many are simply results oriented when determining if someone made the right play or not.

If the players would have had opposite cards (i.e., played each others cards), would Phil still have won? Would he have folded/called correctly in situations where Doug folded/called incorrectly?

Thread title makes no sense

Like a child he beat him. Like a child.

It makes perfect sense if you read the title in a yoda voice.

How can you be reminded of someone that you can't think of?

never forget

so this ainec

Phil probably has ~40% equity in a live hu match like this vs these guys. You can lose 60/40's forever...

Phil's equity would be considerably lower (~33%?) had both opponents never spewed their wizardry to the public (Doug could have snap-folded his Q9 to the river c/r). But what's the point of being good at poker if it only nets you a ton of money/equity? People gotta know...

Poker used to be easy. A few capitalists/notoriety seekers ended that. So all we had left was sh/hu. But now everyone knows to defend wide and balance everything. Even fish can correctly turn sh/hu into a variance fest. And your average 5-10 pro these days would probably have ~45% equity in Phil's spot (if they weren't scared). Phil does some **** (I watched some of his match vs Doug) that is just atrocious.



Bottomline: Variance is king moving forward. Once people realize that/they finally stop being hyper-results oriented (I didn't see the hand, but what would the narrative been about Phil's 10k bluff all in into a zillion if Cates just called- or if Phil had it when Cates folded?), gg poker imo.

in after DGAF

(Who Id like to meet before phil, daniel, and doug) ((in that order))

I hate it when I lose a HU sit n go to a player playing 36/3 with no turn aggression...I can relate to Junglebun and WCGTO....Hot DoG Magic Forever!

Ps I hope this brings in that hard to find demographic of entitled rich pasty middle age crybabies I've been dying to play with.

Watching Phil crushing his opponents the way he did made me feel like a kid again, watching David Copperfield making Eiffel tower disappeared.

That was simply pure magic, baby !

Im sorry, I literally translated to english an expression from my country

It means "beats like Doug Polk was a child"

And yes, here in my country we beat children a lot

They probably had it coming to them.

fun to watch

I am pretty sure that Jungleman was so "lost" inside his head that only heard ALL IN and did not realize there were only 9k left. Like when he mucked the nuts vs Esfandiari..

yeah sometimes he seems way off or very distracted.

that time he didnt fold the nuts but a wheel vs esfandiaris counterfeited a pairs

I once did that. Pot was something like 25K. Villain shipped for his last 4K. But I folded, thnking that there was another 20K hidden somewhere.

Sure, I felt kinda stupid but the villain was wearing this light gray sport coat and his his eyebrows kept popping up and down behind a pair of mirrored sunglasses while lush music swirled in the background.

Mock if you will, but any one of you would have done the same. The same, I tell you, the same!

Well done click bait

Like a child