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05-21-2019 , 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Kilowatt
You're totally missing the point.

RIO's problems come from few different and distinct sources.

Problem #1 has to do with bugs. That is something which can only be handled by the current development team, and all Phil can do is attempt to manage their time and staffing so these bugs get fixed as quickly as possible.

However, problem #2 comes from a poor understanding of what is important to online poker player. That cannot be blamed on a development team. It should be well known to anyone watching that resizable tables, MTTs, and hand histories are essential to the online poker experience. Those come first, and everything else comes second. Launching without that stuff, especially in the late 2010s, is suicide. It's like designing a new car and putting it out to market when it lacks air conditioning and seat belts.

There should have been zero resources put into things like "splash the pot" until MTTs, resizables tables, and hand histories were complete. Same with those silly avatars which change based upon play style. Even if you want to say that those were a plus, no resources should have been spent on those until the basics were complete.

Problem #3 comes from a poor understanding of marketing online poker. The streamer compensation was innovative, but that's like having some nice icing but no cake to put it on. They did not set aside a proper marketing budget to bring recs to the site, and instead counted on Phil's known name and that streamer program.

You can say that this community doesn't represent "everyone" potentially playing his site, and on the surface that's correct. However, this thread is inhabited by a lot of very experienced online poker grinders who know what they want, and even some who have a fair idea what the recs want. When there is universal panning of your site, after initial excitement and positivity, you know that you're doing something very wrong.

The focus now should be, "How do we totally change course and salvage this?", rather than, "We made the right decisions and just need some more time."

The truth is that, even if they fix the bugs, get MTTs working, get the resizable tables going, and implement hand histories, there still isn't much on this site which is going to attract a large following by word-of-mouth.
Problem #1 - we're more or less on the same page

Problem #2 - is still the same problem #1. First, all those things you list are something that Phil fully understands the importance off, as he stated many times before. Claiming otherwise is a is a straight up lie. The reason they're not available in RIOs client yet is because they're behind in the development, not by design. It's still part of problem #1, the development. To claim that it comes from poor understanding is beyond ridiculous because their importance is so obvious that there is nothing to understand. While I agree that launching without them was a mistake I suspect that the old development team was giving Phil inaccurate deadlines that they kept missing. Phil launched based on those deadlines because there was a great deal of euphoria during the beta testing and he assumed all those things will be implemented shortly after the launch.

Problem #3 - is also part the same problem #1. They can't go and spend money on marketing when they don't have a finished product yet. Only after they have a finished product you can complain about their marketing strategies or lack thereof. Because until then you don't know what they are.

Everything you're criticising RIO for is a non issue because Phil is on the same page with you about most things you criticise him for. And he will be addressing them once they solve their development problem. Again, Phil has addressed their development problem by making staff changes. Let them finish their software now which will take a good amount of time. And once it's finished let's see how Phil reacts to player feedback and other things you criticise him for. Until then you're just shouting at the clouds.

Last edited by JossoDee; 05-21-2019 at 05:08 AM.
05-21-2019 , 10:21 AM
Problem #4

Phil is surrounded by yes men who aren't helping him with his overly optimistic view, perhaps because he is paying them?
05-21-2019 , 10:24 AM
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Phil Galfond posted in Run It Once Poker Posted 2 years, 8 months ago
A Poker Site Should

A Poker Site Should
A poker site should value poker players.

It should value the casual player for the money he's willing to put on the line to play a game he loves. For choosing poker over other hobbies, and for choosing their site over other sites.

It should value the enthusiast and semi-professional for the liquidity they provide and for growing the game. For spreading the word, across different mediums, about their favorite site.

It should value the professional for embodying the dream that brings so many people to poker. For proving that poker is a game of skill. For promoting the game of poker to their fans, students, followers or subscribers.

A poker site needs to believe in the dream of poker as a career. It shouldn't cater to professionals over other players, but it must make every policy change with the viability of the dream in mind.
haha. every policy change eh? anonymous tables eh? huds are banned.

this is how it went down. phil has a dream. phil talks to people in the business who tell him it cant work. phil caves. dream over. (it mighta worked)

this thread needs to move on, myself included. its NOT happening. its too late. maybe another savior will come around with big promises like building a wall and not deliver. hope and change baby.

btw the idea of making a site catering to pros and having fish follow is a great idea. worked for full tilt until usa started stealing all their money and they decided to steal it back from the players.

on stars you used to be able to see all the team pros and online pros with a search feature in the lobby. why did they get rid of that haha. now the search function doesnt even work. if youre reading this stars, fu haha.

the dream of poker is alive. inside of you. all you need is one table of whales in the entire world to play with. dont be mad, phil tried. thanks

Last edited by david negus; 05-21-2019 at 10:33 AM.
05-21-2019 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by david negus
haha. every policy change eh? anonymous tables eh? huds are banned.

this is how it went down. phil has a dream. phil talks to people in the business who tell him it cant work. phil caves. dream over. (it mighta worked)
The dream he is referring to is not the dream to analytically arb out a tiny edge using tech to fleece microstakes punters. That dream cannot create a sustainable entertainment product/industry.

The dream is to have the stones to put some value at risk to make a run on Vegas because its possible to win big by applying some skill to a gambling game. This is not something that applies to a lot of the audience (in terms of seats) at the moment, and that's why the industry sucks and does not need more of the same.
05-21-2019 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Alexdb
The dream he is referring to is not the dream to analytically arb out a tiny edge using tech to fleece microstakes punters. That dream cannot create a sustainable entertainment product/industry.

The dream is to have the stones to put some value at risk to make a run on Vegas because its possible to win big by applying some skill to a gambling game. This is not something that applies to a lot of the audience (in terms of seats) at the moment, and that's why the industry sucks and does not need more of the same.
stars was doing just fine before they sold. yea maybe the numbers were in a slight decline, but poker has booms and busts and it was getting lame. with 1000 words used like vpip on national tv, thousands of autists losing their livelihood etc.

yea it goes against the stock market philosophy of must grow each year or die. but it was doing fine. now stars is in a freefall and half their earnings is from sports/slots.

the dream was fine. sometimes you gotta move down stakes is all. seeing a slight loss and changing every aspect of the online game is a hail mary attempt and only accomplishes one thing, for sites to make more money. fish will always lose.
05-21-2019 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by david negus
haha. ...

btw the idea of making a site catering to pros and having fish follow is a great idea. worked for full tilt until usa started stealing all their money and they decided to steal it back from the players....

thanks
Excellent summary of FTP.

That, plus Stars was eating their lunch in the market overall. I would suggest FTP was likely spending players' money to appear to keep pace with Stars independent of seizures by DOJ.

Keep in mind they were taking in deposits, never cashing the "checks" and issuing chips anyway, to be able to portray they were afloat.
05-23-2019 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by JossoDee
Problem #1 - we're more or less on the same page

Problem #2 - is still the same problem #1. First, all those things you list are something that Phil fully understands the importance off, as he stated many times before. Claiming otherwise is a is a straight up lie. The reason they're not available in RIOs client yet is because they're behind in the development, not by design. It's still part of problem #1, the development. To claim that it comes from poor understanding is beyond ridiculous because their importance is so obvious that there is nothing to understand. While I agree that launching without them was a mistake I suspect that the old development team was giving Phil inaccurate deadlines that they kept missing. Phil launched based on those deadlines because there was a great deal of euphoria during the beta testing and he assumed all those things will be implemented shortly after the launch.

Problem #3 - is also part the same problem #1. They can't go and spend money on marketing when they don't have a finished product yet. Only after they have a finished product you can complain about their marketing strategies or lack thereof. Because until then you don't know what they are.

Everything you're criticising RIO for is a non issue because Phil is on the same page with you about most things you criticise him for. And he will be addressing them once they solve their development problem. Again, Phil has addressed their development problem by making staff changes. Let them finish their software now which will take a good amount of time. And once it's finished let's see how Phil reacts to player feedback and other things you criticise him for. Until then you're just shouting at the clouds.
Hey, Josso. I don't like to make a habit of quoting and congratulating people who've come to my defense, but you expressed very clearly and logically exactly what I've been attempting to explain - much better than I was able to say it myself. Thank you!
05-23-2019 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil Galfond
Hey Jackal. I haven't looked into your case personally yet, but please email support and request that they reconsider. I'll follow up on it myself this week.
Hey Jackal,

Thanks for your patience as I looked into this, and I'm sorry it took this long - I wanted to discuss this with several key team members and we have all had a lot on our plates.

Regarding the hand in question, I do think that you were compensated fairly...

You said:
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I have AA72 vs a guy 8753, sure I am only 53.35% but I'd rather play for all the money with my hand, all day, every day. I have his straights blocked and he's only a 47% because it's preflop, on most flops this will become 20-25%.
When the money goes in preflop, your equity is your equity. Blockers, flop equity, etc., is all taken into account by the basic equity calculation.

I can understand why you were unhappy with the initial compensation, and there's no clear right answer to the best way to refund money in these situations, but I do believe that the end result was more than fair.

Regarding your banning - my personal opinion is that your emails didn't warrant a ban, though I don't know if I can say the same for your post-ban reply, which was over the line.

Though I'm the boss , my opinion isn't all that matters - we have people with expertise and industry experience in areas I don't, and I don't presume to always be right, so it was important to me that I talk with the team and get on the same page regarding this decision.

You say that you'd like to give us another chance and you want Run It Once to succeed, which we very much appreciate. Given your support and the fact that your post-ban reply was preceded by a ban which we understand was very frustrating, we'd like to give you another chance, too.

Again, thanks for your patience. I'm sorry we didn't handle this as well as we should've. I do truly appreciate that you want to support us even after you were frustrated by this issue, and I would be happy if you came back and crushed our PLO games some more

Good luck!
05-23-2019 , 07:13 PM
Is the site closed to new registrations? I have tried a few times over the last few days and keep getting the message, please try again later? Pretty frustrating filling out all the details and getting the error.
05-23-2019 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil Galfond
Hey Jackal,

Thanks for your patience as I looked into this, and I'm sorry it took this long - I wanted to discuss this with several key team members and we have all had a lot on our plates.

Regarding the hand in question, I do think that you were compensated fairly...

You said:


When the money goes in preflop, your equity is your equity. Blockers, flop equity, etc., is all taken into account by the basic equity calculation.

I can understand why you were unhappy with the initial compensation, and there's no clear right answer to the best way to refund money in these situations, but I do believe that the end result was more than fair.

Regarding your banning - my personal opinion is that your emails didn't warrant a ban, though I don't know if I can say the same for your post-ban reply, which was over the line.

Though I'm the boss , my opinion isn't all that matters - we have people with expertise and industry experience in areas I don't, and I don't presume to always be right, so it was important to me that I talk with the team and get on the same page regarding this decision.

You say that you'd like to give us another chance and you want Run It Once to succeed, which we very much appreciate. Given your support and the fact that your post-ban reply was preceded by a ban which we understand was very frustrating, we'd like to give you another chance, too.

Again, thanks for your patience. I'm sorry we didn't handle this as well as we should've. I do truly appreciate that you want to support us even after you were frustrated by this issue, and I would be happy if you came back and crushed our PLO games some more

Good luck!
Appreciate it brother! Yes, I did follow up with a nasty email ,after he banned me for nothing. Thanks for handling this situation with logic, don't think that another poker site would act accordingly!

Yup, the frustration was adding with each passing hour, email, glad you can see it from my side!

Fine, no problem with the hand and I will be more than happy to continue to destroy your plo tables, I mean when you have guys 4b jamming 7 high rundowns, how can I not, right!
05-23-2019 , 11:07 PM
haha. he had 53% but is angling for 75% equity bc the hand flops blockers lol. get real dude. then curses out support and complains on here about it.

i say keep him banned for being a scuz.
05-23-2019 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by david negus
I thought this was written by Amazon Page?
We'll definitely get an assist from Amazon Page.

Best wishes,
Mason
05-24-2019 , 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackJackDegen
Is the site closed to new registrations? I have tried a few times over the last few days and keep getting the message, please try again later? Pretty frustrating filling out all the details and getting the error.
Yikes - please email support or join us on discord and ask for help (you can find the link on runitonce.eu). Hopefully, they can fix this for you quickly. I'm really sorry for the inconvenience!
05-24-2019 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by The_Jackal21
Appreciate it brother! Yes, I did follow up with a nasty email ,after he banned me for nothing. Thanks for handling this situation with logic, don't think that another poker site would act accordingly!

Yup, the frustration was adding with each passing hour, email, glad you can see it from my side!

Fine, no problem with the hand and I will be more than happy to continue to destroy your plo tables, I mean when you have guys 4b jamming 7 high rundowns, how can I not, right!
Seems like you need to get stacks in with some 8 high rundowns to have them dominated!
05-24-2019 , 02:05 AM
Phil, when I played on first release once I got to 3-4 tables my computer became really laggy which worries me for when you release SNGs. Have there been any changes to the software or planned improvements of this? For the record I don't have an amazing computer but I also don't have any issues 9-12 tabling on any other sites.
05-24-2019 , 03:25 AM
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Originally Posted by david negus
haha. he had 53% but is angling for 75% equity bc the hand flops blockers lol. get real dude. then curses out support and complains on here about it.

i say keep him banned for being a scuz.
Shut up man, you get real, I wasn't angling, if that were true, I would of asked for 20+ hands of refunds, moron!
05-24-2019 , 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Phil Galfond
Hey, Josso. I don't like to make a habit of quoting and congratulating people who've come to my defense, but you expressed very clearly and logically exactly what I've been attempting to explain - much better than I was able to say it myself. Thank you!
You're welcome Phil and good luck moving forward!

Just remember that there are players out there who still fully support RIO, even if not for what it currently is then for its' future potential.

And they will be there when RIO is ready for them.
05-24-2019 , 05:46 AM
Yup still supporting. I just can't cope with the crashes.
05-24-2019 , 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by The_Jackal21
... moron!
Good man! I like how you've curbed your temper and stopped calling people imbeciles now
05-24-2019 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by The_Jackal21
Shut up man, you get real, I wasn't angling, if that were true, I would of asked for 20+ hands of refunds, moron!
Such a wonderful individual. Who wouldn't want to have you as a customer?

-BD
05-24-2019 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by BackingDonk
Such a wonderful individual. Who wouldn't want to have you as a customer?

-BD
Are you for real? The guy insults me, insults my integrity, says I'm angling, and the only thing you see is me calling out that scumbag , I am defending myself from a POS, and you think I'm the bad guy? Geeesshhh, brother, your logic needs some work!
05-24-2019 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by +VLFBERH+T
Good man! I like how you've curbed your temper and stopped calling people imbeciles now
This really made me laugh out loud. Yeah moron isn't as bad as imbecile, you're right. I do agree that I shouldn't of used that word in hindsight.

But this donk right now is calling me a scumbag angler, cheat or whatever, he deserves it! The support rep, didn't though!
05-24-2019 , 07:11 PM
I have AA72 vs a guy 8753, sure I am only 53.35% but I'd rather play for all the money with my hand, all day, every day. I have his straights blocked and he's only a 47% because it's preflop, on most flops this will become 20-25%.

what would you call this statement?

http://www.strawpoll.me/18049279
05-24-2019 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by The_Jackal21
This really made me laugh out loud. Yeah moron isn't as bad as imbecile, you're right. I do agree that I shouldn't of used that word in hindsight.

But this donk right now is calling me a scumbag angler, cheat or whatever, he deserves it! The support rep, didn't though!
You seem very angry and bitter, have you experienced some trauma that has resulted in your sad and unfortunate deeply unpleasant personality?

The best way forward is for you to share your painful experiences with this kind, caring forum, and then you will benefit from the care and support from the members.

Perhaps repeatedly hitting yourself on the head with a mallet would help?
05-25-2019 , 09:31 AM
It physically hurts me to see otherwise smart people miss the point of why to support run it once SO HARD.

Yes, run it once has issues at the moment with its software but do you really think that phil isnt aware of whats wrong with his site...he literally reads every comment ever and is very responsive to feedback. It just seems to take time to fix the software bc his previous tech team apparently wasnt performing as expected...why is that so hard to understand?

But the main point is. Dont you see how different phil / Run it once is acting from pokerstars. YES run it once right now is in a not ideal state BUT you can clearly see that phil has good plans for the future and it will get there eventually if we support him. Even if you dont agree with every design decision they made, if these decisions are really that bad phil will change them because he actually listens to feedback. My point is: Remember when pokerstars did the SNE bull**** and we striked and couldnt even get a response from them? We have a chance here to get an awesome operator that wants fair rake, games with high integrity and being responsive to community feedback. But all you guys do is tear run it once down and being insanely negative. In life you win if you BET ON THE RIGHT PEOPLE. There isnt a better guy to bet on than phil. Stop being negative and support run it once and the result in 1-2 years will be amazing.

Last edited by hackprotech; 05-25-2019 at 09:39 AM.

      
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