Complete bull**** LIE!!! Microgaming is way way way better, just look at a site like Redkings for example!

Redkings adds another ~ 20% in promos that are easily achievable just simply rake $$$. That's 50% on average!!

Then add in that the rake is half that of RIOP and you can see just how much of a rake trap RIOP is!!!

hi redkings representative

I was on RIO day one, telling everyone about it. Turned 100eur deposit into 500 within a few days, withdrew and got raped on FX by my bank. Asked about the prospect of having my account balance in £ with conversions at the table into EUR, no response (despite them answering all of the other questions in the Internet Poker thread). Asked 3 more times, finally get a response at the 4th attempt. I'd given up really caring by that point, will just play elsewhere.

The software is also very laggy, if I played more than 2 tables my computer was feeling it, something I've never experienced on any other site.

Full disclosure: I was the guy who was very skeptical early on (posted here before).

Decided to deposit a bit anyways (despite no crypto, which I very, very rarely do nowadays) just to check it out and played some PLO. And well,

I'm still disappointed. The software works alright for me, that wasn't an issue. But when I tried to play there were fewer than 25 people playing and those I played (2 tables) were surprisingly strong, and I went in with the expectation of a regfest.

Rakeback definitely didn't feel like 51%. I'm sure it is, but it didn't feel like it. I don't think anyone is gonna be excited over this system past the first couple drops, not even fish - especially as I agree with others here that they won't see their fair share of it. The avatars are just meh.

In short: Everything RIO does, Natural8 does better. Rush & Cash is faster paced, extremely soft, has ante-structure which I like, RB feels more (well, it is, 65%) and seeing VPIP instead of the avatar is just better.

The market niche Phil should have filled is bringing more, more interesting games to the population. Mixed games are dead on AmayaStars and Party has been lacking the development, I understand Phil plays/played a lot of mix, he knows how fun they are and he had the more educated player base in the RIO site to even further his advantage in that regard.

I really wonder how Phil would rate the development of the site since the last evalution (I think it was 7/10 and 2/10 for highstakes?). Anyways,

I cashed out.

I find it hard to believe one of the things people are complaining most is the rake. It has 51% rakeback for everyone and there's a deposit bonus without time limit!

Anyway let's see how valuable twitch streamers really are. It seems JNandezPoker and zerospoker are now promoting the site and they are two of the best cash game streamers on twitch. I know if I had the opportunity I would play on the site even if it was just a couple of tables on the side. Unfortunatelly I'm stuck just with pokerstars.fres and ACR, there's people with much better choices especially in tournaments where you can really pick and chose the best value mtts if you're on the international market.

Agree very much with the idea that you want someone to be king of the hill, a scary screen name who everyone knows is best, if a site wants to anonymous tables they should add atleast normal tables too.

Side question :Why would anyone play on a site other than pokerstars if not for lower rake or worse players?

Is this a rakeback forum or a poker forum

Uh since rake is destroying poker it sure is relevant?

Both actually. If you need a rb deal there is a from you can fill in internetpoker section. Hope that helps.

Poker has always and will always be raked. Get over it.

BUT YOU PROMISED ME 39.87% RB AND I;M ONLY GETTING 39.86% HOW DA FK AM I GUNNA FEED MY WIFE AND KIDS YO

Sure, but one of the big things, that should separate RIO Poker from the competition (and was also "advertised") is that its still possible to grind it up from lowstakes with a fair rake.

To be honest I personally don t care how much rake Rio Poker takes, but I care when I choose the site to play on.

I tried Rio and was on 1 table with good action, when I suddenly went in "sit out" mode and could not sit back in. Pretty annoying.

So your point is that RIO was advertised as being possible to grind it up from lowstakes with a "fair rake" (no such thing as fair rake, each person has their own view on it so you can't argue the non specifics) while you also state you were on a table with good action.... i think you answered you own question.

Hey man, just because your Mom thinks you're special, doesn't mean the whole world does. Just stop embarrassing yourself here bro!

Doesn't even make any sense! You can be at a great table full of fish, a real action table, doesn't mean that you won't get raked to death! Doesn't mean that ALL tables are like that on RIO?? Just insane logic!

If Phil advertises the poker dream and promises players to be able to grind up the stakes, then suddenly come play time the rake is still astronomical and almost comical to the point you can't even call it an improvement, then yes we have every right to complain!

Your nonsense post about poker getting raked is absurd, we know this, what we find absolutely insane is that Phil chose to continue the RAKE TRAP!!! While he was 1 of the people complaining about Pokerstars and acknowledging it was a big problem, especially for PLO!

I guess it only matters if it directly effects you as a player, he sure as hell don't give 2 ****s now that he's the 1 spreading the game!

None of that makes any sense whatsoever and is just one big contradiction.

how much traffic has there been?

Just here to say that Im playing few hands on nl20 or nl4 to support the room, and Im glad to find recreational players today, thats a very good sing for me . And Zeros has 50k sub on youtube, very nice to know too . GL to RIO!

The more I play these splash the pots, the more I think we are getting shafted! I asked this before where can I find out if we indeed see 51% added back.

What baffles me is that it's used as an excuse to deter bots. If you can't find useful ways to deter bots without changing the game, well perhaps you shouldn't be opening up an online pokersite!!!

Also, guess what happens when bot makers find a way to exploit this. They will have bots colluding at the same table, sharing cards and are able to raise, reraise etc they'll be able to take down way more pots once they have it figured out!

It has to be the dumbest thing added to online poker! Did I forget that it changes the dynamic of the games, you can't do this to a game like chess for example or any other game. Ludicrous.

I might sound harsh in my words and I will not apologise for these words. It's an absolute joke! Seriously, the only players that have positive words to say are deluded streamers, this is just completely unacceptable. How you managed to get licences is beyond me!

I want this site to succeed so so much, but I just can't find myself enjoying anonymous poker. I keep giving it a shot but I just don't see the appeal.

Sitting down for a session and playing with a bunch of Mr.X is the opposite of what I find enjoyable about poker, which is creating dynamic/history with other players.

I agree, check my post regarding this in the other thread. Completely sucks out the "live poker" from the game. No depth, no reads, no history..Just clicking buttons mindlessly!

Just as a sidenote, you can make those changes to chess. Fisher Random Chess (Chess 960) is actually getting more popular nowadays with all the usual openings studied so well.

More popular, but still a tiny niche ...

I think you get my point, I don't know if you have played PLO with splash the pot but it changes the game too much.

Lets talk small stp's, they are the majority splashes, guess what most regs are going to lose most of these pots. You will pass up in these spots and not deal with the added variance for the sake of a few bb's.

This in turn will almost guarantee that you won't see anywhere near 51% rake back. Unless you really want to kill your winrate of course, then perhaps you might see 52% and -15bb/100.

Did I mention that splash the pot for specifally Pot Limit Omaha is a terrible idea, it's probably bad for NL too but I don't play NL to figure out if it does or not.

Just seen several allins for splashes of 10-20bb. I mean ffs they are 5 way allin for 10 eur at plo50, like for real?

I managed to win a 5 way all in as well for like 80 eur at plo20, and the splash was only 10bb. I mean they are going crazy over a few bb's. I still hate stp, regardless! It's stupid and makes the games unbearable to play!

Just crazy how you have to have a super high variance added just so you can get rake back, it's disgusting!

Yo white gatsby, don’t know if you read Phil’s post about Splash the Pot but it is inspired by live high stakes poker, which has neutral ev flips often to entertain recreational and what not. I understand you don’t like the variance of huge Splash the Pots but it encourages gamble and loosens up the action. The GG network copied RIO with this so I would say that it has been warmly received.