Tim I agree with you on this especially the second paragraph. The fact that he has overwhelming support from this community sadly translates to less than a week of volume if there's no recreational players. Sadly, collectively, we are some of the most short termed thinking group of humans that exist on the planet that will only truly support something if it serves our short term interest.

I have faith that Phil has a good plan to face this difficulty as I'm sure he's well aware of the potential problem. If he is interested in making his site go huge overnight to rec players (if he's willing to work with an outside company and divide profits) he can reach out to me.

Stop being a child with the teh thing - I am never going to read a post you make until you stop - grow up ffs!

If you never going to read my posts how can you tell if i stopped?

It really isn't that hard, if theres no recs the next rung up of regs become recs...

theres still a spectrum of deposits that move up the pool....its not that hard to comprehend. its zerosum.

I start reading them in the hope that you grew up, then stop as soon as I realise that you still hadn't.

If you think that what you have to say may have some importance, why do you stop people from reading it by your infantile attitude?

Ya it is pretty annoying

Rush poker zoom poker is pretty much the answer to all of this. It lowers the pro's advantage and its a game fish want to play. pro's will disagree because they can make more money multi-tabling, but its true nonetheless. Its beginner poker for new players because they don't have to worry about changing up their playing style to avoid being sharked at 6max. And then no more worrying about seating scripts, collusion, etc...

Hud's are part of the online game, just build it into the software so everyone is equally prepared. And no, fish dont care about huds either way and have no idea that such a thing exists until someone says something about it or they land here.

Fish need pro's as much as pro's need fish. Who's sitting at the table when the fish sit down? The regs keep the the games going so that the fish always have someone to play with. Just some perspective.

is this sarcastic? Regs almost always only play because they think they are +ev, and so the weaker regs will quit when there are no fish. For poker to exist, there needs to be people who don't care whether they are +ev.

Im gonna start playing again on this site no doubt, reputation goes a long way

At least until this new old-Pokerstars built by Galfond gets swallowed up by another filthy Amaya

Maybe Phil's site'll do stuff like Unibet does - maybe offering to offset peoples' losses might be helping attract new players?



Have been meaning to give Unibet a try - maybe this month!

Sam I'll send you whatever you deposit up to $100 on Stars is you feel that it wasn't worth it.

your full of it, bolded simply is not true- i am one of those "FUN PLAYERS" and i know about the upcoming site. i assure you i am not the only "fun player" who knows or is on this forum either.

rake doesnt matter for people like me. if you want more "fun players" you need to have good micro/low level mtts and a good satellite structure helps too. the pros and the high rollers need to realize that a lot of "fun players" dont redeposit so much because they have limited budgets/income to just blow on poker online. i know tons of "fun players" that would rather blow their gambling budgets in a casino or in home games than online. the software is terrible and it plays like a video game/computer program.

if you want to attract "fun players" that may be scared off by huds/software aids, then you should incorporate some anonymous cash tables in a separate section. it may be more expensive to build into whatever platform being developed but you will be able to draw some of those players who prefer the anonymous factor too.

You certainly arent one of the funplayers i talked about bc neither of those guys know wat a hud is nor post on 2+2

I think it could have some potential, at least short term. Low-ish rake + some muppets will make the games at least worth looking at then just like everything else, you see where it goes.

also mike you way too mad, teh timstone actually one of the best posters on 2+2, clearly a sign poker/this site is truly on life support but true nonetheless

Without advertising heavily those funplayers you talking about won't know about PGs site, thats true. So only way to get fish to deposit is promoting the new site somewhere else than here, RIO or pokerstrategy... I am not sure how that will be accomplished by PG but we shall see...

Lol everyone seems to put pg on a pedestal. Wake the **** up. He doesn't care that his site has helped ruin online poker. He doesn't care that people can't make a living at this game. He doesn't even care that some players that used to win cannot win anymore. He's not doing what he does because he cares about the poker community.

He is in the business of selling dreams, not reality. He does this for money.

I don't want to wake the **** up. This is the best news the online poker industry has had for a while, as far as i'm concerned.

If he can make some money along the way, good for him. At least his doing something about it and talking about poker and transparency in a light that we haven't seen before from a service provider. You seem a bit bitter that his going to potentially make a few hundro milley from this if executed properly.

And if your saying RIO is the only training site that ruined poker.... erm your a bit misinformed bra.

The providers ruined online poker by not allowing the format of the game to evolve and kept the software format placid to milk the cash cow for as long as possible. Hence the sense of god like praise for galfond in thread... his filling a gap in the market, and we love that.

How RIO poker startup is executed and sustained could taint his reputation in the future. But currently his playing a blinder imo. The moment RIOP make some decisions that turn on the reg population, or money grab, or be nontransparent, we'll turn on him in an instant like the fickle animals we are.

sure i am.

i found this site after googling "party poker complaints" and yes before i did that i didnt know what a hud was either. i do enjoy poker but i could easily live without it. i do care about my money and dont just play figuring im gonna lose my money but hey "im paying for fun" so who cares right? if i didnt want to win money than why wouldnt i just buy some game for 5 $ or whatever and just play that all the time.

i do find this forum at times to be very entertaining and occasionally informing. real poker to me is still played with physical cards. online is a different beast but a complete joke. its pretty much now a game (online) of who has the most software aids and is the best at using them.

im fascinated at times because for some people that spend so much time perfecting their craft - why are so many grinders/pros/wannabes that come of as so damn naive,stupid, and entitled at times?

It's a combination of most young people in 2016 being incredibly self entitled,having zero common sense whatsoever and having learned the game when the way you make money was through volume.someone can be good with numbers,good with getting the most out of poker software ,have trained themselves to grind out a small win rate over millions of hands in cookie cutter online games that are all basically the same in 2016 without having a clue as to where money comes from in poker.theyre also good at having a pipe dream that some mythical benevolent poker god is gonna come along and give them a utopia of a printing press in the form of low rake amazing poker games whike ignoring the fact what it takes to actually run a poker site,how much money it costs to gave a constant influx of money and oh yea the fact they aren't some charity case.nobody is spending 100s of million of dollars if not more to let a bunch of self entitled babies print money from a game on the internet.

Borg sums it up quite well.

Watch the bill perkins podcast on chicagoJoeys youtube channel. They cover this topic quite well if i recall correctly.

Its basically a intellectual superiority complex from the "entitled online grinder".

The online grinder basically confuses intellect with studyment of poker because they know nothing else. Basically because a funplayer chooses not to study or dedicate to the game of poker and improve their technical game - they are looked on as intellectually inferior to the online poker grinder and can't know what a hud or a twoplustwo are.

The other aspect is, most of these poker pros were "ballin" hard at the age of 18-21, dropped out of college, making 6+ figures a year and got to stick it to the 9-5 system. So there's always going to be an element of invincibility when you get to prove to world you can stick it to the system. This was 10 years ago, these kids are now like 30+ and still living in the same online world. Some have real world experience, sadly some don't (for them).

Toppair2pair says it even better than I did.
I've seen plenty of young grinders at the table who honest to god think they're smarter than someone bc they're better at poker than them.

If you play a strategy game every game single say for years on end you should be a lot better than someone having fun,who doesn't take it seriously doesn't need the money and doesn't play that often.if you're not better than that person and you either sleep and breath poker then you should just kill yourself.

Here are some things that I would like to see:
- inbuilt very simple HUD that you can turn ON/OFF (free of charge), no other sw allowed
- chargeable tracker where you can see all details of your own game/results, monthly/yearly fee
- chargeable hand histories only be mail, with something like 24 hours delay (if you suspect collusion you could contact support and ask HHs for free?)
- PLO/PLO5/PLO6 only heads-up/three way to stop hole card sharing
- no seat scripts

Another idea is: buy Pokerstars from Amaya.

Sure, it's only $3.50 anyways.

Bolded part is entirely correct, that's how the world goes : people usually work for money or equal counterpart, you seem shocked... do you work for free ?
No, he's certainly not a charity, but if he's able to run a good poker site which cares about players and making some millions in the process, I don't see where's the problem ?
Anyway, I'd still prefer to give my money to Galfond than shady Blackstone's white collars shareholders.

Rest of quote is all you speculating, you're not in his head.