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05-24-2018 , 07:51 PM
I think any site cutting out the micros is basically saying they hate money. Lots of players wouldn't deposit or just wouldn't last long with those limits. Currently I rec can deposit $50-100 and have it last a week or more. With those limits they'd spew it in a day. Seems bad for the ecosystem.
05-24-2018 , 08:05 PM
Agree that the games shouldn't be anonymous entirely. A good compromise would be monthly resets or something that way you can still have dynamics that carry over from session to session. I get the point and mostly agree with it, but after playing Bovada for a long time now it just isn't as enjoyable stacking a random number or name as it is Jerry who called your bluff last Tuesday and this time you have it.
05-25-2018 , 03:01 AM
From my experience with live poker(seems they want to get that fun into online or emulate somesort) is that proper fun players don't care about the buy in. So I'm pretty sure a single f wil be given in the end of the buy in stuff and it indeed will be simpler and as well help non pro players with their bankrolls.
05-25-2018 , 04:01 AM
You deep stack nut-peddlers just don't get it. The poker ecosystem cannot and will not survive when you force fish to buy in for 100BBs. BTW, I bet you could beat a 500BB game by just getting it in with AA PF (and only AA ofc in literally 100% of situations) and open shoving whenever you hit the nuts and hoping to get paid by 2nd nuts (it'll happen enough to be profitable). 50BBs is real poker folks. GTFO of here with deep stacked nut peddling

SS for lyfe ya dig?


This site will fail.
05-25-2018 , 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by jglsd1
You deep stack nut-peddlers just don't get it. The poker ecosystem cannot and will not survive when you force fish to buy in for 100BBs. BTW, I bet you could beat a 500BB game by just getting it in with AA PF (and only AA ofc in literally 100% of situations) and open shoving whenever you hit the nuts and hoping to get paid by 2nd nuts (it'll happen enough to be profitable). 50BBs is real poker folks. GTFO of here with deep stacked nut peddling

SS for lyfe ya dig?


This site will fail.

Try nut peddling and only playing AA 500bb deep and you will get absolutely slaughtered. Lmao at short stacking being real poker. That has to be a troll right?
05-25-2018 , 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by tgiggity
Lmao at short stacking being real poker. That has to be a troll right?
It was pretty fun at Party back before they implemented the 100bb games.
05-25-2018 , 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
It was pretty fun at Party back before they implemented the 100bb games.
Never played at party, but when I used to grind ACR I would add some 40bb CAP tables. They were definitely softer, but edges are lower and it's just a shove fest. There's barely ever a turn or river decision. Pretty boring poker imo
05-25-2018 , 05:24 AM
No HUD ---> GREAT
Anon Tables ---> Not Great
100BB buy in ---> Who Cares??
Software/UI ---> Must GOOD if not Great

PS. I am a REG (REGular Depositor on Stars and other site)

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05-25-2018 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by tgiggity
Try nut peddling and only playing AA 500bb deep and you will get absolutely slaughtered. Lmao at short stacking being real poker. That has to be a troll right?
How do you get slaughtered playing only aces? The blinds slaughter you? You get more likely bored to death.
05-25-2018 , 10:18 AM
The short stackers think you have to have AA to play 500BB deep. It sorta makes sense when they only know how to check-shove and think that is poker.

There are actual training videos on this nonsense, fwiw.
05-25-2018 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by KossuKukkula
How do you get slaughtered playing only aces? The blinds slaughter you? You get more likely bored to death.
I won't go into great detail, but in 500bb poker if your opponents are aware that you're extremely tight (up to only AA) they will apply a lot of pressure on you on certain board textures. You will end up in a lot of spots where your best possible hand is an overpair and your opponents can have two pairs, sets, straights, etc. and you end up either folding a lot of equity a lot of the time, or getting stacked for 500bb with an overpair.

Also, yeah the blinds will slowly eat away at your stack, but that's the least of a nits problems
05-25-2018 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by tgiggity
Never played at party, but when I used to grind ACR I would add some 40bb CAP tables. They were definitely softer, but edges are lower and it's just a shove fest. There's barely ever a turn or river decision. Pretty boring poker imo
Then it's not softer if edges are lower. DUCY?
05-25-2018 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
Then it's not softer if edges are lower. DUCY?
Wasn't hyper turbo sng's softer than turbo sng's? The edges/winrates were lower in the hyper turbo but the games were/are easier.
05-25-2018 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
Then it's not softer if edges are lower. DUCY?
Softer as in easier to beat. Some games can be incredibly soft (bad players) but due to other factors the edges might be lower than in a tougher game: high rake, small starting stacks, etc. But, I know you've never been able to beat any poker variant, so I can understand your confusion
05-25-2018 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by tgiggity
Softer as in easier to beat. Some games can be incredibly soft (bad players) but due to other factors the edges might be lower than in a tougher game: high rake, small starting stacks, etc. But, I know you've never been able to beat any poker variant, so I can understand your confusion
Clearly you don't see why, but fair enough. I shall ignore the personal attack, but fwiw I've been able to beat plenty of poker variants lmao!
05-25-2018 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by tgiggity
I won't go into great detail, but in 500bb poker..
How do you get to 500bb when you are getting slaughtered 24/7? Actually your style sounds a lot like something that bad lag would do against nits. But yeah enough ot for this thread.
05-25-2018 , 01:43 PM
Try Unibet if you think slightly more permanent ID's would be fun. Constant start/stop nature of the games since regs recognize one another. Just an awful and jerky experience.

Permanent position type names like Microgaming yields more fluent action I think. But if playing a longer session there is no way you'll not miss some important player leaving and getting replaced, be it a rec or a reg where you have something going.

I play some more RIO esque anon on another site where you get a random id at any given table you sit at and it's fantastic in comparison to above. You keep track of people leaving. You get lasting impressions of people at a given table. You don't recognize them across different tables (barring sizing give aways). Because of this the longevity of non filled tables is much improved.
05-25-2018 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by KossuKukkula
How do you get to 500bb when you are getting slaughtered 24/7? Actually your style sounds a lot like something that bad lag would do against nits. But yeah enough ot for this thread.
We were talking about a 500bb buyin game...


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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
Clearly you don't see why, but fair enough. I shall ignore the personal attack, but fwiw I've been able to beat plenty of poker variants lmao!

You're the guy who started the Why don't we see any gifted 18-21 year olds rising up through the stakes in the way we used to? thread and posted gems like these:

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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
I only answered your questions about stakes and games because you asked them. I couldn't give a **** about rising up the stakes. I came to the conclusion (like many people in this thread and I'm sure many 18-21 years old have) that poker is a waste of time for making any real money. I put in plenty of effort at the beginning, before coming to this conclusion. Now I just bumhunt fish when I feel like it - much easier and less stressful.

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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
Why would I play people of similar skill to me? You're out of your mind! You won't make money like that. You have to play people who are a lot worse than you to overcome the rake.

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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
Clearly everyone has access to this training material, so where are all the regs who are stuck at micros and small stakes going wrong? I'm sure many of them work on their game, watch training material, post hands for advice, use tracking software. Yet they don't rise up the stakes in the way you'd expect. Very strange if you ask me.
05-25-2018 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jglsd1
You deep stack nut-peddlers just don't get it. The poker ecosystem cannot and will not survive when you force fish to buy in for 100BBs. BTW, I bet you could beat a 500BB game by just getting it in with AA PF (and only AA ofc in literally 100% of situations) and open shoving whenever you hit the nuts and hoping to get paid by 2nd nuts (it'll happen enough to be profitable). 50BBs is real poker folks. GTFO of here with deep stacked nut peddling

SS for lyfe ya dig?


This site will fail.
Uh, I didn't say only PLAYING Aces, I said only SHOVING them preflop. I shouldn't have to spell this out, but obviously playing a lot of hands like Axs, PPs, and SCs and betting/raising huge/shoving postflop when you hit nuts. I meant you're never getting KK AIPF.

As you know, in very deep stacked games, people open raise and 3/4bet larger. You will pick up soooo much dead money literally 3/4-bet shoving aces vs previous action that it will fund you for several orbits so you can limp/call up with Axs/PPs>66 and SCs (to hit NUT str8s) (to hit TOP set/quads obv)

Jeez where are these amazing 500BB deep tables so I can crush you guys? Oh wait, they don't exist because fish would be broke in two hands. 50BB is love. 50BB is life. Deal with it.
05-25-2018 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jglsd1
Jeez where are these amazing 500BB deep tables so I can crush you guys? Oh wait, they don't exist because fish would be broke in two hands. 50BB is love. 50BB is life. Deal with it.
I'm gunna ignore the terrible strat advice, but if you want a great 500bb 2/5 game there's one that runs pretty much every night at my local casino. The buyin is capped at 200bb to start, but you can buyin to the biggest stack so it's 500+bb poker within an hour. Turns into 5/10 sometimes too. If it was capped at 50bb I don't think any of the recreational players would want to play.
05-25-2018 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by tgiggity
Softer as in easier to beat. Some games can be incredibly soft (bad players) but due to other factors the edges might be lower than in a tougher game: high rake, small starting stacks, etc. But, I know you've never been able to beat any poker variant, so I can understand your confusion
I CONCUR
05-25-2018 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tgiggity
If it was capped at 50bb I don't think any of the recreational players would want to play.
They'd probably like it more because they get to be all-in more and recs want to gamble more. I also doubt they'd even notice the difference between 50 and 200bbs.
05-25-2018 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by tgiggity
We were talking about a 500bb buyin game...
And this doesn't exist online. So you are talking just nonse.
05-25-2018 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by KossuKukkula
And this doesn't exist online. So you are talking just nonse.
Sorry, I forgot poker is only played online. Besides, I didn't bring up the 500bb poker game, I just corrected jglsd1's assumptions about how to beat a 500bb game

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Originally Posted by .isolated
They'd probably like it more because they get to be all-in more and recs want to gamble more. I also doubt they'd even notice the difference between 50 and 200bbs.
This might be true of some recs, but not for most of the live recreational players (at least the ones I play with regularly). They like to have 200+bb so they can call a 6x preflop raise with T2s and hit a flush. They want to have the stack size to call 3bets with hands like 32s or 68o to try and win a big pot.

Gambly/spewy players often times like deep stacked play the most because they can hit a big hand and get back to even faster. Just last night a couple recs were talking about how they won't play at the (nicer) casino nearby because its max buyin is 200bb and you can't match the biggest stack, so when they get stacked the best they can do is double up back to even.
05-25-2018 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by tgiggity
Softer as in easier to beat. Some games can be incredibly soft (bad players) but due to other factors the edges might be lower than in a tougher game: high rake, small starting stacks, etc. But, I know you've never been able to beat any poker variant, so I can understand your confusion
Rofl. RIP

      
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