what would a badge get you besides a target on your back?

ptr is ****ing terrible. all it did was have people get bum hunted more and of course the idiots telling player x "you suck you're down x dollars on this site"

You're not going to find a thread here without a high percentage of silly posts. When you have an internet forum that is open to the public, it goes with the territory.

The way to improve the discussion is to add some constructive ideas of your own, rather than further diluting the discussion with a "you are a bunch of idiots" post.

I think you understimate the number of recs who are poker enthusiasts and follow the poker world. I am a rec player (and net depositor), but a regular reader of forums. I play live at a few clubs where most players are fairly clueless, dabble a bit online but could never make a profit there. The news that Phil is starting a site is already well known in those clubs.

Stars and others have built a sizeable player community, and I think a big number of them will get to hear about this venture and give it a try - especially if he finds a way to offer some hud-free tables. I'm guessing, but Phil probably will not need a big percentage of the current on-line community to get on his site before he gets into profit.

+1

I have a maths degree (Cambridge UK), have started and sold two software companies, and am a net depositor on Stars (was winning until a few years ago). I read a lot of strategy and try to analyse the game, although I often have a beer in my hand while playing. I have used huds, but a game between software-assisted players bores me, and I am not playing for a living, so I choose not to use them.

There are other ways nowadays that you can advertise your product rather then to have ronaldo and neymar in a video limping in aces. I think more HS players (maybe they dont even have to be HS players) streaming on twitch (doug is doing a great job imo) is one way of doing it. Make popular youtubers make a vid about your product is also a way cheaper and might be similarly effective way of doing it.

Im not saying its easy to market to as many players w neymar, but my guess would be its possible to get similar exposure for way less money.
I could be way off, but this reminds me of how gary vaynerchuk actually talks about how to market things without having to make commercials for millions of dollars.

I think seeing doug win/lose 50k in a session has a similar (similar NOT the SAME, i dont want people arguing abt semantics) effect on people as watching high stakes poker episodes on youtube with the difference that it costs doug only starting a twitch stream and making highlight vids of it and not all the production costs of a TV show (again, i know its not the same, but if you compare the costs and effect it has on people i think it might be closer than one would think).

Edit: Forgot to mention that im a little sceptical in that regard as well, but Im hopeful that there are other ways of overcoming this issue.

+ incentivizing players to share hands (such as PS booom) on social media might also have an impact.

People are pointing out that HUDs are unfair towards recreational players not that they don't win because of them.

It's way easier to enforce a rule of "no in-game software at all" than cherry-picking which exact SQL queries and processing on them are allowed.
If you really believe in that argument you should be for allowing bots, afterall banning them is not really enforceable. You can have an occasional success but it's a losing battle long term although with bigger emphasis on online verification like webcam always being available if asked by site official you can prolong it for a while.

You are claiming to have a degree in math and yet you are making this statement.
It really is simple: more tables allowed -> fish loses faster/games are harder for the fish. It's because the more seats are taken by the regs the less likely it is a recreational player plays against other recreational players at the same table. As having other recreational players at the table is also way more fun than only playing against pros it makes the whole experience worse for them as well.

I invite you to think about it for a while, it really is obvious.

fair enough.

regarding what are key elements to a successful online poker business, there's big difference between saying you are "more" qualified like above and saying being a good reg makes you "solely" qualified to discuss what will make a successful online poker venture.

We need Galfond, to make another post, so we can get this thread back on track.

One of the driving goals/mission statements of the site is something like, "believes in the dream that I have lived". Through I assume, being able to make money playing and moving up stakes etc etc, like Galfond did in the golden days.

The problem is, where is the money going to come from to make this possible? There is only 2 places I can think of:

1. An influx of new recreational players. Good luck with that, everyone's been trying that for years. It will be hard enough attracting a sustainable influx of recreational players.


2. A transfer of wealth from the poker site to players, by significantly reduced rake.

I'll believe that when I see it.

3. Sponsors injecting money directly into tournament prizepools and promotional cashgame situations.

You are quite right - I didn't think long enough about that one. The reg ratio is more important than any multi-tabling skill dilution.

I agree with you Rimlog, because I am a rec (fish) myself. I already made a small deposit (20) into PS and lost it in a couple hours. But since I am a complete degen fish I am now waiting for RIO to open and put all my life savings into it if it offers sweet promotions for the recs and low rake.
I am sure there are a lot of other recs that are thinking like me

Give it up guys, RIO Poker will allow Huds, deal with it. You may want to check out Unibet as no Huds allowed and you are pretty much safe from bumhunting as well. Check it out.

You overestimate

1)how much sponsorship money would be worth relative to rake currently paid
2)how "nice" the site would be to the players.

Even if they get sponsorship money they'll still charge whatever rake they can.
even if galfond isn't 100 pct about the money he has next to no money in the grand scheme of things relative to what it would cost to even attempt to get a successful poker site off the ground. his financial partners aren't investing to be be nice to poker players.

Basically this site is almost sure to crash and burn and even if it doesn't it's not going to be the printing press people are hoping for on here.

I think it's clear at this point that Galfond's new site will just be 99.9% full of regs who use 2+2 and/or his RIO training site. I don't see how he attracts enough recreational players to sustain the games. Anyone who can't see this is living in a fantasy world.

It will be funny if he gets in California before the greedy pigs Amaya who have ruined Pokerstars in every way. I have 10 recreational for you Galfond, lets go

Is Phil on this week's pokercast?

Good luck Phil.

I would play if the software is great and the rake is low. I just want to enjoy poker, competitive reg battles suit me just fine.

Where are the casual/rec/fun players going to come from?

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Unenforceable, and you know it.
1. Screenscrape PC a
2. Send the info and run the queries on PC b
3. Display the info on PC a

0 word since that blog post... Zzzzzzz

You don't seem to have much of a clue about how much a gambling license costs. And Phil already mentioned that he isn't looking to enter the US market given the current circumstances.

u whine about a lot of stuff ... eg.

you moan that operators aren't nice to you and don't make it comfortable enough ... do you see, why this is funny?

can't you read or are you just ignorant?

seriously, did you even read, what i posted or did you go on 'tilt' because i wrote something, you didn't like?

i don't judge ppl using HUD, to the contrary. i said previously poker is a game, where the aim is to make as much money as possible. BUT b/c of that fact, it's inevitable, that we will reach some point of 'saturation'. Add factors like the BF and there's a massive problem.

another example, why you don't have any clue, about being a professional poker player. an operator/poker room isn't your 'boss', so your comparison is beyond stupid. poker players are freelancers and tehy have to look, where they can make a living. they have no contracts, nor guarantees.

poker rooms can do whatever pleases them, if you don't like it, go away, if you can't find something better, you have to adapt or get a new job. but it seems it's way easier to cry about 'how good it was back then'.

i don't have any clue about ur winrates or what limits you play. i just don't care. if you can make a living, then have fun. what bugs me is, that most of the mass tabling grinders out there, depend on rakeback, a high volume and HUDs to make enough money, but still are so overly confident and somehow cocky about their set of skills. a lot of those players have also some weird entitlement about specific conditions and show no lack of professionalism, if these conditions change.

i just simply pint out, that the industry has changed the last 5-6 years and that this kind of arrogance is misplaced

banning all HUDs might be not enforceable, but you could make sure, that commercial HUDs won't work. add a limitation of tables, as well as random seat assignment and daily SN changes and HUDs are less helpful.

while this is obvious, almost all forms of cheating prevention isn't unenforceable because smart ppl with enough time/money will find a way. still galfond won't allow everything, b/c "hey, we can't stop cheaters anyway"


but HUD or no HUD, it's way too early to speculate about this stuff, nobody knows the important details ... like which markets RIO poker will enter