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Phil Galfond to Start a Poker Site (Launched) Phil Galfond to Start a Poker Site (Launched)

09-06-2016 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by NerdSuperfly
i think the main problem is, that galfond was kinda forced to announce the project while he isn't able to tell the most important details (e.g. who invests, where will the poker room be available and is it a part of some network [so far doubtful] or is it affiliated with some other site) .... so saying he fails due to a lack of recs is a wild speculation imo
this this, and this.

without those very basics known, any other posts, ideas, questions, or comments about what the Galfond Super Site should or should not be is just two steps above pointless blabber.

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09-06-2016 , 09:01 AM
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arrogant much?
No. Poker is a social game so most people prefer to play with people from similar background/culture/financial status. It's just way more fun to play against people you have some common ground with than with someone who is grinding it for 10$/hour and doesn't have any interest in making it a pleasant experience.

It is what it is, if you want it to be a purely competitive skill based game without social element then the recs will stop coming.

I am speaking about people who:
-are successful in a different field
-like poker
-have money to lose
-appreciate a pleasant fun experience
-want to have a fair shot at winning a session

I am sure that coming after sportsbook crowd requires a different strategy and coming after total degens requires something else still. I am just sharing my experience from talking to successful people who like poker and from the point of view of a former pro player who would still play from time to time (no doubt being a spot) if the environment was more friendly (and didn't require me to spend hours on setting the newest HUD + the newest sitting script to get a remote chance of winning for a while).

I don't express any opinion about what's profitable from poker site owners point of view. It's likely something completely different.

Last edited by punter11235; 09-06-2016 at 09:07 AM.
09-06-2016 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by TimStone
No. Its common sense actually. Pokerstars has teh biggest athlete of our times in their corner. Gigantic social media following. Insane fanbase. Own clothing label. Yadayada. They barely manage to hold the status quo currently... so go figure
that the market is shrinking and therefore less and less 'pros' can make a living, is basically what i'm saying since a few years, but of course i'm just a shill so (almost) every one keeps praying for the white knight ^^

but like i pointed out previously (not that i expect anyone would read all postings itt), i believe that RIO poker can/could attract some players and grow to some point, where a survival is possible. since this growth is natural, it would be even a 'healthy' ecosystem (since there's no chance there are too many regs).

and i mean possible, NOT likely b/c to predict anything, we simple need more information. anyway i also said, that there's no chance, that this will be nvg's wet dream. a magical place, where deposits pop up and everyone can make a living like it's 2010 again ...

perfect example is unibet ... poker has grown while the market has shrunk, but the absolute numbers are so minimal, that PS has still the same market share.

tl;dr: i don't think it will be the saviour everyone is praying for, so if you set the bar this high, he will fail. since i would set the bar way lower (e.g. above break even, so the site has support and development, can pay the bills AND makes money) i guess it's possible. but again, we need way more information
09-06-2016 , 09:19 AM
Sounds reasonable. Cheers
09-06-2016 , 09:41 AM
The poker community need more Degen Rec like me 😂😂
09-06-2016 , 09:42 AM
^^^

Mr. Galfond ? care to share some of these basic details?
09-06-2016 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by PTLou
^^^

Mr. Galfond ? care to share some of these basic details?
If it helps i can tell you it wont be a "skin"
09-06-2016 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by TimStone
If it helpz i cun tell you it wont be a "skin"
fyp
09-06-2016 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by punter11235
As I am a recreational player now let me make a wishlist as well:

-table cap (preferably 4 tables or less)
-no software during play allowed
-some ways to make the games more sociable, that's a hard problem but I remember from the early days that constant banter in the chatbox was very fun to follow and participate in; it changed in Party days when people started getting HUDs and mass-tabling; something died about the game then and I want it back
-a bit related to previous point but there should be a way to verify online that a human is playing; that may mean that people with 0 social skills or inability to speak basic English don't get to play - I am fine with that, I wouldn't play with them live either

That's what it would take for me to spew some money from time to time instead of choosing other forms of entertainment.

Now I don't have much hope it's implemented at Phil Galfond's site as that's probably not the best way business wise. I am just waiting to see what his ideas are. It's going to be interesting to follow.
Great post.
09-06-2016 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by PTLou
fyp
Clearly missing a teh though.
09-06-2016 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by vinivici9586
evolution of NVG arguments

2000-2012: i crush at poker, therefore i know better
2012-present: im a fun player, therefore you should cater to me
09-06-2016 , 12:19 PM
200bb tables especially with all the poker solver discussion
09-06-2016 , 01:20 PM
Well , sounds like Phil nor anyone from his group care to share any basic details asked about above.

Mildly odd given the way he went about introducing the venture ITT.
09-06-2016 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by PTLou
Well , sounds like Phil nor anyone from his group care to share any basic details asked about above.

Mildly odd given the way he went about introducing the venture ITT.
Its pretty Harvey Spector-esq if you take a moment to consider his position, sooner or later if they plan to debug/go live in 2017Q1.... someone somewhere via some inside info or a gaming commission application or something is going to get a sniff of it and throw it up in a thread in NVG.

So better to just out your position on your own terms, to avoid that possibility and then have to validate some rats speculation.
09-06-2016 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by PTLou
Well , sounds like Phil nor anyone from his group care to share any basic details asked about above.

Mildly odd given the way he went about introducing the venture ITT.
Youmad?
09-06-2016 , 03:48 PM
Not at all.

Actually intrigued by what Professor Gandolf is up to.

Just odd for him to come ITT and effectively say something like "hey I'm gonna open the this new whiz bang brick and mortar casino that is gonna be awesome for players .

But then not say anything about where this casino will be, how big it will be or where the money is coming from to build it. Kinda some basic stuff that enquiring minds want to know.
09-06-2016 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by hurtNCYDE
Most likely we're going to see little to no rake on tables that are not full. So that it's actually worth it for regs to battle each other. It will also make bumhunters want to spend a lot of time on the site as they would be able to get in some hands with a fun player in a very low raked game which is their wet dream. Full tables will obviously have a fun player on them so rake will be pretty much the same as the other sites.
This.

I play live that at a venue that will provide a dealer and let you play HU rake-free at a 9-seat table to get the game running. They start to charge rake when it gets to 3-handed but for online maybe 4 or 5 handed would work best. That way you have games running for recreational players to sit in and you charge full rake when that happens. The regs are incentivised well (basically 100% rakeback) when they are providing the service of keeping games running and not at all when they are just feeding.

Also, don't allow table/seat selection.
09-06-2016 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by PTLou
Just odd for him to come ITT and effectively say something like "hey I'm gonna open the this new whiz bang brick and mortar casino that is gonna be awesome for players.
As you know, it's good business practice to build anticipation about new products well before launch, but maybe he learned some delaying tactics from Negreanu/Amaya: "Amazing things are coming... soon".
09-06-2016 , 04:18 PM
Ill throw some bills on er and battle a reg infested site
09-06-2016 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by LektorAJ
This.

I play live that at a venue that will provide a dealer and let you play HU rake-free at a 9-seat table to get the game running. They start to charge rake when it gets to 3-handed but for online maybe 4 or 5 handed would work best. That way you have games running for recreational players to sit in and you charge full rake when that happens. The regs are incentivised well (basically 100% rakeback) when they are providing the service of keeping games running and not at all when they are just feeding.

Also, don't allow table/seat selection.
Pretty good idea
09-06-2016 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by LektorAJ
This.

I play live that at a venue that will provide a dealer and let you play HU rake-free at a 9-seat table to get the game running. They start to charge rake when it gets to 3-handed but for online maybe 4 or 5 handed would work best. That way you have games running for recreational players to sit in and you charge full rake when that happens. The regs are incentivised well (basically 100% rakeback) when they are providing the service of keeping games running and not at all when they are just feeding.

Also, don't allow table/seat selection.
This also happens at a casino I play in, there is no rake when the game is 3 handed or less, 4-5 handed has less rake and 6+ is full rake... Seems to work pretty well to get the game started but sometimes I've seen the game pretty much end but 3 regs playing rake free for some hours after when it's late at night at not many new players will walk in, which I guess is bad for the casino as they are making no rake and paying for dealers, drinks/food etc...

Last edited by Yazzx; 09-06-2016 at 05:02 PM. Reason: But I guess with online it should be different with games running pretty much 24/7..
09-06-2016 , 05:35 PM
^ I'm not sure my live venue would do it at the end of the night, for the economic reasons you mentioned.

But online there is no cost to letting them keep play till it picks up again.
09-06-2016 , 07:39 PM
I would like to have webcam must be on tables to get to see who is playing with their personal face as avatar. Maybe have rewards for best celebration or something along those lines on a regular basis for these players.
09-06-2016 , 08:20 PM
Sadly, the most likely outcome is phil loses whatever he puts into it $ wise. Details are important (as we don't know what this site's goal is--ie catering to regs or not and who's eligible to play on it) but starting from the ground up at this point is definitely gonna be tough in an industry that's getting worse by the day.
09-06-2016 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by PerDoom
I would like to have webcam must be on tables to get to see who is playing with their personal face as avatar. Maybe have rewards for best celebration or something along those lines on a regular basis for these players.


This would generate some seriously amazing YouTube comedy. Back and forth between regs would be hilarious, especially if we could rail HS games.

      
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