So Phil is talking rakeback now. But before I consider rakeback and net rake, I'd like to know what the gross rake is going to look like.

ALso, will PLO rake be structured differently from NL for well known reasons?

So you are like a prop player. Wonder if those are still a thing these days.

True. If you count those out the 'popular' ones like komododragon gets something 150 max views / stream. In the end you need to be really entertaining or hs to watch because cashgames are pretty boring to watch.

You really believe that Gandolf is dumb enough not to know about viewbots or that he wont guide the streamers about delays etc? That's just total nonsense.

So what you saying is, you've played the new Fallout.

When Party launched,from the DR, it crashed literally 4 to 5 times a day for a couple of weeks.

Stars' launch and early operations were much better in terms of connectivity and continuity, running games, and tournaments. Stars focus on MTT tournaments was a significant advance in the market. That and SnGs were pretty smoothly done, if I recall.

(I paid attention to those issues in those days. My company wrote our software from scratch and launched it at the same timeframe as Party and Stars. The development time took over 18 months from beginning to launch.)

When Party launched it cut 100% rakeback deals with quite a few players.

I do believe the viiewbots abuse would present a problem to the site where it is offering 110%. (In my ignorance of the term, I'll assume a viewbot is a program that views content, rather than a real viewer doing so. )

A player collecting rakeback may have no idea from where legit viewers originate or who they are. If the viewers are viewbots, how is the player responsible ? The problem can be solved, but the potential for headaches/abuse is there.

Hey, all! This is poor timing for me to hop into this thread because I'm extra busy from now through the weekend, but I felt it was important that I clarify this one thing:

This program was created after, and on top of, our normal rake and rewards plans, which I'll be sharing in my next post. Nobody will be getting less rakeback than they otherwise would have because of it.

Put another way: The money given back to streamRs doesn't come out of our rewards "budget" - It comes out of our marketing budget, just like traditional sponsorship deals with streamers on other sites.

I hope that clears up some of your concerns.

I'll pop back in here and chat with you guys more when I have some availability but don't be surprised if you don't hear much from me this week. Feel free to ask questions, though, and I'll get to what I can when I can!

Sure, fish might read it that way.

Full time reg who get good % of his profit from rakeback read it as:
"If i don't stream i am massively capped on rakeback (To maximum of regular rakeback) compared to this similar regular who stream 1 table w/o good quality/commentary during his session time (or whatever is minimum rules), i need to start my stream get some devices/people/or software what watch to get extra good $ without any intent to provide any good quality content"

What are plans to prevent stables to abuse their network and "watch" each other streams on daily basis?

I really want this poker room to get huge but imo this promotion is slipery slope into hundreds of **** quality spam streams for extra rakeback.

How do you want to prevent organization of "friend groups" where hundreds of players join, all are doing crappy stream and at the same agree to watch 24/7 all the streams of all "friends"?

Most people stream for the same reason people posts pictures on Facebook and Instagram - attention.

great idea, keeps more break even regs in the games (or slight losers, if they make money streaming).. and makes it easier to spot bots.

The first 2 levels seem way too easy to cheat

Don’t really care about this tbh. If streamers can reach noobs and get them to deposit then great.

Wonder how the Streaming thing will work.

If I stream one table on RIO playing a tourney, but 6 tables of Stars/Party playing tournies there do I still get my RB%?

You need to be really bad at poker if you really care about stuff like this. Couldn't care less if someone makes more rb by streaming. And I'm just guessing obv I believe there are atleast some rules (or guidelines whatever) how do you need to stream and how often. You just sitting there picking your nose eating the boogers without saying anything wont probably be enough.

i thought about this too. i guess the solution could be a rio watermark on the stream during play.

if they force you to only play rio id imagine they would miss out on some popular streamers and get alot less viewers

Yeah
If I decide to play on RIO I will 100% want to do the minimum to get 50% extra rakeback
And then play off stream for the rest of the month
But I get that rakeback on all my hands right? Not just the bare minimum I streamed?

No clue why'd anyone do anything differently for 20% Extra rakeback when you need a jump from 200 to 1200 hours
When you do a few hrs per week, get 50% instead of 70% and play the rest of the week without the distraction and giving away info in streaming

Streaming cash on reg tables and giving away info albeit with delay on an otherwise hudless anonymous site is a pretty big deal
And as people pointed out the cash views tend to be so low it'd take way too much work from 200 to 1200 hrs to ever care

I hope i wrong about all this and this will be best thing for poker ever.

However level 0 to level 1 rewards jump (0->50%) is way too high, it encouraging way too much consistantly trying to hit only minimum of stream time, minimum tables showing and minimum quality of content and even "friend groups"/"friendly stables" so you hit level 1 goal way faster.

This is comment on their discussion page, obviously may be just example but:

"For example, Level 1 streamRs will need to stream a minimum of 20 hours a month with at least 1 Run It Once Poker table showing, with at least 10 of those hours showing only Run It Once Poker tables. As long as those requirements, and a couple smaller ones, are met then hours streaming League Of Legends would count towards your total watch time." // Nick Steiner (RIO staff)

So you can even potentially abuse it to bare minimum with playing other games (or whatever you can stream) before/after session.

From the RIO update:

There are some requirements regarding minimum time streaming with our tables showing, as well as a few others, but we’ll share all of the precise requirements and additional benefits on our website in the near future.

Someone mentioned it but allso wondering do you get the rb from all of the rake you pay or just the rake you pay streaming? Let's say you are a NL100 reg and decide to stream the min for extra playing NL10 sounds like a good plan actually. Allso do you need to stream only in english or can you stream your native language allso? Like mentioned fe some russian streams allready has big audiences. I assume you need the webcams and mics obv.

You know Phil doesn't have this **** worked out and we're giving him feedback now right? Pretty sure his team put it out there unrefined, reads this and the finer details will come after considering the flows we were pointing out :P

I start to like this idea.

- Every reg will be forced to reveal some of his mechanics / software used while playing.
- Any winning regular not streaming the minimum is immediately flagged as a potential bot / abuser.

What? If anything a winning regular don't need that hustle to get the extra rb. Or am I the only who thinks like this?

Agree

lol

More then anything making fish work for hours and hours advertising them for extra 20-50$ on top of their nl10 grind and low regular VIP level (If RIO will have them) is brilliant.
When we are talking about nl50/nl100+ full time regs it totally different story. Only 1 question - "what is total minimum of streaming i can do to make 50% extra rakeback" (for full time cash game regs usually good money).

If rio come out and say their regular rakeback is 10% then for sure it not worth for anyone.
My assumption is that there is expectation that RIO will come out with 40%/50%+ top rakeback level.

We need see all details first but regular rakeback + streamR might potentially create some rakeback pros from cheap countries.