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Phil Galfond to Start a Poker Site (Launched) Phil Galfond to Start a Poker Site (Launched)

09-11-2018 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by FreshThyme
Got the invite but am in the US
Don't be rude. Try it anyway. Maybe they are testing their ability to geo-block.
09-12-2018 , 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
Don't be rude. Try it anyway. Maybe they are testing their ability to geo-block.
Didn't phil mention that all testing will be with real money? But at least you will test the geo-block hehe.
09-14-2018 , 04:50 AM
Was the testing a success?
09-14-2018 , 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by vesku
Was the testing a success?
It wouldn't let me deposit so I couldn't say.
09-14-2018 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by vesku
Was the testing a success?
yea people enjoyed it.
09-17-2018 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JackBurton
Also agree. I guess all the talk and marketing from the Pokerstars guys really ran across the poker world. Just because winrates were smaller didn't mean poker was drying up.

That was a lie made by Stars so they could cut benefits and pass the cost of paying more taxes and complying with the new regulations in full to the players. And they still are making more profits from poker year over year.

But since all the other sites have basically given up competing for top spot and can't present a decent enough product, amayastars have the far superior product and can continue to do as they wish. I doubt RIO will change that.
PokerStars is trying to dominate the poker landscape in other ways as well.
Pokernews.com is owned by PokerStars and "The Stars Group" testified in the state of Michigan Legislature* about their security software for online games.

*The Michigan House of Representatives has approved regulated online poker. The bill has not yet been acted on by the Senate as far as I know.
11-07-2018 , 07:06 PM
bump? where is this at? We ready for xmas baby?

I have some annual leave booked... and awaiting erm RIO live. reverse lights on. I really wanna go back to online down town

Last edited by TopPair2Pair; 11-07-2018 at 07:11 PM. Reason: You do or you don't or you will or won't ya? Go downtown and eat it like a vulture, Ti esrever dna ti pilf, nwod gniht ym tup
11-07-2018 , 09:28 PM
if he's any sense he'll release something, soon, before online poker becomes forgotten by recs like me and taken over by nerd gto hud reading bots
11-11-2018 , 02:33 PM
Any news?
No launch yet probably means no launch in 2018, right?
11-11-2018 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Herrigel
Any news?
No launch yet probably means no launch in 2018, right?
Probably.
11-11-2018 , 05:10 PM
Galfond did a video blog yesterday via Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/66344988383...3123356205765/
11-11-2018 , 11:13 PM
Are they going to have sponsored pros a la Stars?
11-12-2018 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by JAF000
Galfond did a video blog yesterday via Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/66344988383...3123356205765/
Thanks!
11-15-2018 , 10:01 AM
Still can't believe how incompetent his coders are.
11-15-2018 , 10:19 AM
im sticking to microgaming, if this site sticks to allowing people to get stats on people they arent in pots with.
11-16-2018 , 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by sparrrx
Still can't believe how incompetent his coders are.
How can you tell anything about the competence of the coders?
11-16-2018 , 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Herrigel
Any news?
No launch yet probably means no launch in 2018, right?
well as he was spoke one his site , launch should be in middle of 2019 , they already had alot of beta tests , you can mail on his site for notifications of whats goin on.
11-17-2018 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by juggler97531
How can you tell anything about the competence of the coders?
so who's fault is this massive delay? The Janitor? Don't be silly.
Dude those guys aren't coding the next world of warcraft. A poker site is not THAT difficult. And they are at this since at least 3 years.

I mean, a few month ago, galfond announced (with some pride?) that his team will be working on the function of changing the background colour of the tables.
The ****ing background colour.
If you have a working client that displays a table in front of a red background colour, in order to make player able to change this colour you simply have to add a menu where you can chose a blue background instead so the program will load blue_background.jgp instead of red_background.jpg.
the mere fact that this is a feature that takes some time for galfond's team says they are beyond hopeless.
11-17-2018 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by sparrrx
so who's fault is this massive delay? The Janitor? Don't be silly.
Dude those guys aren't coding the next world of warcraft. A poker site is not THAT difficult. And they are at this since at least 3 years.

I mean, a few month ago, galfond announced (with some pride?) that his team will be working on the function of changing the background colour of the tables.
The ****ing background colour.
If you have a working client that displays a table in front of a red background colour, in order to make player able to change this colour you simply have to add a menu where you can chose a blue background instead so the program will load blue_background.jgp instead of red_background.jpg.
the mere fact that this is a feature that takes some time for galfond's team says they are beyond hopeless.
No offense to Galfond because the man is a genius and incredibly capable but whenever someone unfamiliar with a field (coding in this case) directs a team there is a lot of miscommunication, confusion, and difficulty in creating a product because the manager doesn't know what can be done and how it is done so therefore he doesn't know how long something should take, how it should be integrated etc. To say the programmers aren't skilled isn't really an adequate assessment in almost every case. There is probably a lot of issues with him trying to implement functionality without knowing the mechanics of whats involved.
11-17-2018 , 11:55 PM
With poker sites the issue is the backend not the frontend, but also being very sure any changes made to the frontend don't introduce vulnerabilities to the backend.
11-18-2018 , 04:03 PM
when this site comes out we should all vote with our feet and play on RIO, the poker world owes a debt of gratitude to PG for stepping up and making this site
11-18-2018 , 04:44 PM
Just speculating but aren't the initial coders of RIO poker the people who designed the RIO training site... Building a program (or video game for that matter) is much different than web design. I also remember in one of the updates that they would need to change something (platform, language?) to allow the deployment of tournaments in the future, and to not delay anymore they could only have cash games in the beginning?!?

These coders seem very far from gto. Still from some clips the software looked better than some competition (MPN new, Unibet). Where I live this won't be available at first but I'm curious to see what kind of liquidity the games will get.
11-18-2018 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by sparrrx
so who's fault is this massive delay? The Janitor? Don't be silly.
Dude those guys aren't coding the next world of warcraft. A poker site is not THAT difficult. And they are at this since at least 3 years.
You see massive delay - I see a basic and common mistake of over-optimistic estimates.

I don't see incompetence of any kind, but rather something similar to what happened with development of Starcaft (extremly succesfull project written by extremely competent people which got extremely delayed). “sort of a combination of ambition and delusion,”

"Everybody` said, “All right, we can ship this thing, we’re only three months away.” Then, “Okay, now we’re only two months away.” StarCraft was “only two months away” for fourteen months.’"

https://www.pcgamesn.com/starcraft-h...-listen-book-2

Poker playing platform is a huge project, and if someone is a perfectionist then it's basically a sink that can consume unlimited resources.

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I mean, a few month ago, galfond announced (with some pride?) that his team will be working on the function of changing the background colour of the tables.
The ****ing background colour.
If you have a working client that displays a table in front of a red background colour, in order to make player able to change this colour you simply have to add a menu where you can chose a blue background instead so the program will load blue_background.jgp instead of red_background.jpg.
the mere fact that this is a feature that takes some time for galfond's team says they are beyond hopeless.
The fact that you think it's not a feature that takes time shows that you're completely clueless about software product development. You sound like you really think that the work to be done here is actually few lines of code for a menu item and loading bitmap.

If you want to do things right than ANY visible change is a feature that takes time. (Boring coding rant follows)

Spoiler:
Even adding a simple feature like "show hand# at the table" is not a 2 minute as a first-grade student might think, but a process that starts with:

- Where do we draw it?
- What string exactly do we show?
- What to do if user hovers over it?
- What to do if user clicks it?
- What font do we draw it with? What size? What style? What color?
- Do we make it optional?
- If optional do we make it on or off by default?

And each of these points could potentially take hours long discussions between devs and requiring eventually green light from PG.

And making sure that whatever is shown is clear, unambigious and non-disturbing.

And it's never perfect and always ends up being a tradeoff. E.g. if you make it permanent - you clutter screen with useless data for those who don't care. If you make it optional you clutter configuration window.

And once a feature is ready it might turn out that someone ruined it later. Some clueless coder has committed 3 lines of code - menu item to change background color. And now the text is unreadable with some of the colors.
11-19-2018 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by juggler97531
You see massive delay - I see a basic and common mistake of over-optimistic estimates.
you know what I see?

bs, comparing a NEW pc game to a simple poker client, Are you delusional. Its nothing new. In fact most of the code could be obtained open source.

The main problem if I would guess is fairly simple economics, these "software developers"(NULL experience?) probably on an hourly or salary with no immediate job opportunities, ie: couldnt bfckd putting in full commitment slowing down the whole development, amirite?

juggler97531 seems very defensive(protective?) of PG poker

Last edited by Jungleboy12; 11-19-2018 at 01:00 AM.
11-19-2018 , 01:51 AM
^^^ no you are clueless.

Microgamming redevolped their software from scratch. It took 2 years for a very basic client without all the eventual functionality it will have.
Party have taken 18 months plus to improve their software to a point where it is getting close to stars level. They already had a functioning piece of software that they built on top of so had an advantage.

For a site that's brand new without a client or a team of people already established in making poker software. They are probably doing ok. The main problem was setting out very ambitious timelines and making them public.

You clearly have very little idea of the complexity of programming.

      
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