Phil Galfond outs scammer, encourages others to follow - Page 2 - Poker News

it says in the comments AARON KATZ offered to pay $125k if the guy didn't pay phil back. the game was 3 handed apparently

this guy must be a real fish

i weep for galdfond. bad investment BRO

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02-16-2016 , 04:47 PM

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GentlemanJack

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I feel bad for Galfond but these types of stories are not new. Poker players are notorious for being "loose" with money. Dewey Tomko wrote about how he's been swindled for "investments" in the dumbest stuff you can think of, but that he we completely OK with and willingly "lent" money out. Galfond is just another name on a long list of poker players with zero money management discipline.

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02-16-2016 , 04:53 PM

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Lego05

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Originally Posted by vinivici9586

200k down, couple mil to go. keep fighting the good fight Sam!

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Originally Posted by TimStone

What is the logic here? He did something that helped people other than you (maybe you also) get better at poker and now maybe you cannot make as much money playing poker as you might have been able to at this point in time if he, and other people, had never done such things, so, therefore, it is ok for someone to steal up to a couple million dollars from him, and actually is encouraged as the virtuous thing to do?? Is that it?

Also, didn't at least one of you used to do at least some of the same stuff?

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02-16-2016 , 05:02 PM

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gettym

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easy for the multimillionaire to say we should out people that owe us money, but he didn't out this guy until he had exhausted every last resort including getting his big shot lawyers involved. nope not until he was 1000% sure he wouldn't be getting paid in full did he pen this article

pretty obv phil only wrote this piece in the hopes that if he went public he could shame this sammy fella into paying the other 200k.

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02-16-2016 , 05:13 PM

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Jakeeck

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Originally Posted by gettym

And that's the smartest way to do it.. out him right away and your chances of getting paid go down significantly.

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02-16-2016 , 05:14 PM

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Toupee Jay

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The best way to lose a friend is to loan him money!

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02-16-2016 , 05:22 PM

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vinivici9586

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Originally Posted by gettym

he also waited until the last second to out him because the guy is a losing player.

kind of like how everyone STFU when guy laliberte was playing on a bunch of accounts at rail heaven.

he wrote a well once though, so basically the nicest guy in poker.

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02-16-2016 , 05:35 PM

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JumalSander

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Originally Posted by Toupee Jay

The best way to lose a friend is to loan him money!

Thats the truth.. most people are scum. My 2016 biggest resolution was not to loan out any money.

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02-16-2016 , 05:57 PM

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BOHICA

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ADZ could have had his crew collect for Phil.

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02-16-2016 , 06:03 PM

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LiquidSw0rd

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Yeah. Mafia.
Italian.

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02-16-2016 , 06:34 PM

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karamazonk

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Originally Posted by madlex

There might be a cool story to it, but it's far more likely that it's just the "standard" thing.

Game centers around a degen, he runs out of money and looks for somebody to borrow from. One guy tells his acquaintances in the game that he could do it and they are like "go for it, I know he's totally good for it, don't worry". Guy gives the degen money so the game keeps running and at first everybody benefits from it, except for the degen. In the end, after the guy doesn't get his cash back, his acquaintances are like "sorry bro, tough luck. didn't think that would happen".

This.

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02-16-2016 , 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AZMountainHiker

A good rule in life to follow is don't loan money to poker players unless you're willing to just write it off.

Best rule ever (in gambling). I loaned $100 to a poker player once. Never saw the guy again. It's like he just vanished into thin air.

That was the first and last time I ever loaned money to a gambler. Incidentally, I never ask for money to play with. If I'm tapped for the day, I call it a day.

On a side note, I've loaned money to friends (non-gamblers) who've legitimately needed it to pay bills with. That's perfectly fine, you're helping out a friend in need. But loaning money to a degenerate ****ing gambler is throwing it away.

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02-16-2016 , 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by vinivici9586

If you're the same person as the PKR reg with a similar name then you post about as intelligently as you play. If not, I apologise for interupting your NVG******ation session.

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02-16-2016 , 08:30 PM

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Kroe_bar

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Peer pressure made him loan the money and peer pressure is making him refrain from outing more thieves. No wonder he was the mark.

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02-16-2016 , 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by wtf5

If you're the same person as the PKR reg with a similar name then you post about as intelligently as you play. If not, I apologise for interupting your NVG******ation session.

The PKR reg is dutch and his nick is 'venividivici1993',so not that similar.
Also,this vinivici is from the US-clicked his/her profile.

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02-16-2016 , 09:44 PM

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If you're the same person as the PKR reg with a similar name then you post about as intelligently as you play. If not, I apologise for interupting your NVG******ation session.

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Originally Posted by BlueSamurai

The PKR reg is dutch and his nick is 'venividivici1993',so not that similar.
Also,this vinivici is from the US-clicked his/her profile.

Sorry to disappoint but its confirmed him and he vpn's PKR from teh comfort of his own home in teh us. Account is bought/rented from very well know dutch mid/highstakes pro btw

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02-16-2016 , 10:02 PM

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roddy

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^^rat ratting out rat

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02-16-2016 , 10:07 PM

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HelloFriends

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Originally Posted by my_nameaintearl

I don't really see the scam here just an unpaid loan.

This is the second time pokernews has let someone out another player over a debt in the last few months.

The guy is refusing that he borrowed 250k, just the 50 and that was payed back. Scam.

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02-16-2016 , 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TimStone

Sorry to disappoint but its confirmed him and he vpn's PKR from teh comfort of his own home in teh us. Account is bought/rented from very well know dutch mid/highstakes pro btw

Lmao if true.

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02-16-2016 , 10:25 PM

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Clayton

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Seems unprofessional of PokerNews to be getting involved in this

It's one thing to write a piece critiquing a Galfond blog or something, but hosting an op-ed is sketchy. We just ignore the sketchiness because Galfond is top trustworthy. This sets a precedent where any rando with debts can trash someone else after providing "proof"

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02-16-2016 , 10:34 PM

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Clayton

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Or to put it another way, do I really want PokerNews getting involved with covering personal beefs and debts? Definitely not. It's TMZ fodder.

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02-16-2016 , 10:35 PM

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SolarAU

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As a player that regularly loans to my fellow local cash game players, I can confirm that this kind of scum-baggery occurs quite regularly.

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02-16-2016 , 10:48 PM

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Phil9

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What's Galfond's opinion on people who create challenges that involve hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars, and then dodge completing them because they are too far in the hole to possibly win it?

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02-16-2016 , 10:53 PM

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omybike

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This is what poker world deserve. There is a bunch of social pressure in poker to lend money to a "friend" or a known person. Every roll model in poker should have as a standard to not lend money to other players. So that the standard will become to not lend money to other player.

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