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05-05-2023 , 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by DiamondsOnMyNeck
You really needed Phil to tell you the Overton window has shifted and it’s now finally acceptable to call Doug a douche? Talking about room temp IQ bro? Cmon.
I dont need Phil to tell me anything, nice reading comprehension. You are clearly a complete asswipe and indeed room temp IQ, but by all means keep posting to cement it.
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05-05-2023 , 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Kebabkungen
I dont need Phil to tell me anything, nice reading comprehension. You are clearly a complete asswipe and indeed room temp IQ, but by all means keep posting to cement it.
Really sorry to hear that bro.
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05-05-2023 , 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by WH-Caesars

Does Phil maybe have the highest EQ among all the current well-known poker players?
If anything id say Phil has one of the lowest EQ amoung current well known poker players.
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05-05-2023 , 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Spork
Leveraging all the respect for this comparatively small issue is a missfire, and if you ask me, immature. The fact it was so hard to write should have been an indication to press delete at the end, it's not a sign of bravery. Something Phil noticed, but then still clicked 'all-in'.
Not a bad take IMO. That said... we don't know everything that went into Galfond's decision to finally make a stand on this. He mentioned the opinions of poker's 'inner circle', which Polk took umbrage to. Galfond is probably privy to a ton of unknown info about ppl's interactions with Polk, after 10+ years being involved with poker's top tiers... ie not just the recent Jnandez and Carrell dramas.

There's a huge amount of irony here, with Polk talking about people wanting his head on a stick this week, and the huge amount of pressure he's under. An admittedly awful thing to be going through, and I genuinely can't imagine it. However, very recently, during the J4 drama, he really stoked the fires against Robbi by categorically calling her a cheat and contributing to the witchhunt/mob mentality. What he's experiencing is exactly what he put her through... whether she cheated or not.

I, like a lot of others, have a lot of respect for Polk's content and his poker insights. Personally, I think Galfond's essay is meant to be a wake up call to say, don't do s*** like that any more. It's crap, and there's no excuse for doing it, not for clicks, not even if you *really think it's probably true*, in Robbi's case.

Tbh, I actually think the way out for Polk is pretty easy here. Just post a YT video along the lines of "I never should have called Charlie a pedophile. I apologize unreservedly for that. I didn't like his tweet, I didn't think it was acceptable, and it offended me. In general, I also don't like how Charlie conducts himself on a personal level. As a result of these factors, I made the very bad decision to make statements about Charlie's character publicly. I am deeply sorry for the negative impact this had on his life. I will conduct myself very differently in future."

All this stuff is straight out of the #meToo aftermath playbook. He needs to really admit that he ACTUALLY ****ed up and plans to change... because everyone already knows he actually ****ed up, so what else can you do?
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05-05-2023 , 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by LimpDitka
If anything id say Phil has one of the lowest EQ amoung current well known poker players.
got to love the discussion. one side arguing the highest EQ in poker and the other side the lowest EQ in poker and neither with any reasoning why
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05-05-2023 , 09:15 AM
i like how kane kalas added up everything about the situation with how doug has acted, his long time impression of phil, the situation that triggered the article and concluded phils stance probably were because doug left him out of the top 10 GOAT poker players in one of his youtube videos
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05-05-2023 , 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Baracus
i like how kane kalas added up everything about the situation with how doug has acted, his long time impression of phil, the situation that triggered the article and concluded phils stance probably were because doug left him out of the top 10 GOAT poker players in one of his youtube videos
lol
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05-05-2023 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by chuckamuck
I, like a lot of others, have a lot of respect for Polk's content and his poker insights. Personally, I think Galfond's essay is meant to be a wake up call to say, don't do s*** like that any more. It's crap, and there's no excuse for doing it, not for clicks, not even if you *really think it's probably true*, in Robbi's case.

Tbh, I actually think the way out for Polk is pretty easy here. Just post a YT video along the lines of "I never should have called Charlie a pedophile. I apologize unreservedly for that. I didn't like his tweet, I didn't think it was acceptable, and it offended me. In general, I also don't like how Charlie conducts himself on a personal level. As a result of these factors, I made the very bad decision to make statements about Charlie's character publicly. I am deeply sorry for the negative impact this had on his life. I will conduct myself very differently in future."

All this stuff is straight out of the #meToo aftermath playbook. He needs to really admit that he ACTUALLY ****ed up and plans to change... because everyone already knows he actually ****ed up, so what else can you do?
Truly room temp eq stuff goin on here. Bending over to the twitter mob and apologizing for doing nothing is the last thing anyone should be doing. The teal haired estrogen crowd has no money and zero jobs which is why they are on twitter and reddit 16 hours a day. Doug took the poker world with a big pair of balls and the 9-5 workers who appreciate someone not being a little pussy is a big reason Doug got popular.

The title of this thread looks like something Galfond wrote himself and multiple people calling others dumb and Galfond a genius with zero substance to back it up reads like a reddit thread full of shills. Ten years ago many content creators that are now cancelled were saying that the online space was trying to normalize pedophilia and here we are.
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05-05-2023 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by AAJTo
Truly room temp eq stuff goin on here. Bending over to the twitter mob and apologizing for doing nothing is the last thing anyone should be doing. The teal haired estrogen crowd has no money and zero jobs which is why they are on twitter and reddit 16 hours a day. Doug took the poker world with a big pair of balls and the 9-5 workers who appreciate someone not being a little pussy is a big reason Doug got popular.

The title of this thread looks like something Galfond wrote himself and multiple people calling others dumb and Galfond a genius with zero substance to back it up reads like a reddit thread full of shills. Ten years ago many content creators that are now cancelled were saying that the online space was trying to normalize pedophilia and here we are.
So you think Doug should be able to call people pedophiles to his 300K+ subscriber base with no repercussions. That's "doing nothing", is it? Got it.

And who tf is 'normalizing pedophilia'? It's pretty clear even to imbeciles that as a victim of incest, Carrell wasn't trying to 'normalize pedophilia' ... and the last thing he needs is to be publicly called a pedophile.

The only thing room temp here is your own iq/take, big man. Though actually in my experience the people obsessed with "big pairs of balls" and "not being a little pussy" are medium height at best. Enjoy your day.
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05-05-2023 , 10:44 AM
Charlie voluntarily defended child molesters in a public setting. To put it in a way I am sure even you could understand, if someone defended Hitler or nazi's it would be fair to call him a nazi. You trying to split hairs over whether Charlie "just" defended pedophiles or is a pedophile is not a specific distinction I care about.
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05-05-2023 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Baracus
i like how kane kalas added up everything about the situation with how doug has acted, his long time impression of phil, the situation that triggered the article and concluded phils stance probably were because doug left him out of the top 10 GOAT poker players in one of his youtube videos
ok you got me - link?
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05-05-2023 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Baracus
got to love the discussion. one side arguing the highest EQ in poker and the other side the lowest EQ in poker and neither with any reasoning why

Lol I almost replied with the same sentiment. Gotta love NVG
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05-05-2023 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by AAJTo
Just because you've been abused in the past doesn't make you some kind of expert on the topic. Just because you've found empathy for the person who abused you doesn't mean every victim of child abuse should do the same. The few conversations that Ive read of Charlie has led me to believe he is very dishonest and I just don't believe him about anything he talks about. Tweeting is a matter of public record that is self voluntary and if you write something disgusting you don't get a rewrite of what you said years later. It's also laughable that Galfond tries to paint this picture that Bonomo and Charlie's world views don't align 90% of the time and somehow because Bonomo is defending Charlie this reinforces that the person who publicly defended child molestation should be forgiven?

There is a reason why I avoid Twitter and think people who over use reddit and twitter are the bottom end of society mentally and this indirect garbage I accidentally read is a great reminder why.



@Galfond I am sure any day now you are going to talk about the millions of Christians being slaughtered around the world. It's very disingenuous to bring up really horrific events in human history amongst other terrible things and pull the ol' "even though I am mentioning these terrible things I am not directly relating them to Doug Polk even though this entire essay is about him" crap.
Doug is a bully. He is so good at it that he made a huge career partially because of it. American culture is full of this type of attitude winning championships and making billion dollar companies and Doug dunked on a bunch of internet dweebs to rise to the top. Now his success is even more in peoples faces with the Lodge and the live stream and just so coincidentally now you are brave enough to speak up. Maybe you should have went after the poker world like Doug did instead of being meek and jealous and having 2 of your projects at least partially fail.

Recently Jnandez released a yt video comparing Doug to Hitler and now this. When someone plays the Nazi card they lose all credibility with me. Another theme in Galfond's essay is bullying and how wrong it is but I am seeing a very coordinated attack from you and others right now. The poker crowd is smarter than the reddit crowd, publicly using these typical "SJW" tactics to go after someone may backfire in this environment. Just subbed to the Lodge yt channel. I was looking at RIO potentially for PLO coaching before this but you can **** off Galfond.
On what planet are millions of Christians being slaughtered? What in the hell are you talking about? I realize many countries are openly hostile to Christians but these are also similarly hostile to Atheists and those of any non—approved religion. Regardless, your numbers are laughable. Not surprising for a person who pejoratively uses the term “SJW” would himself be a professional victim who has apparently been fed misinformation that he is incapable of seeing through.
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05-05-2023 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by arcdog
On what planet are millions of Christians being slaughtered? What in the hell are you talking about? I realize many countries are openly hostile to Christians but these are also similarly hostile to Atheists and those of any non—approved religion. Regardless, your numbers are laughable. Not surprising for a person who pejoratively uses the term “SJW” would himself be a professional victim who has apparently been fed misinformation that he is incapable of seeing through.
White male Christians are the true victims in this world. You just need to ignore all the power and money they have, and recognize that sometimes they get called out on the internet and suffer minor consequences and have to issue an apology.

All the stuff about cancel culture and professional victims is pure projections. There is nothing they want more than to cancel all the woke SJW (which basically means anyone they don't agree with).

I've come to realize there is no point arguing with them, they have built a reality where they are victims and no amount of correcting their facts will change that (even if you get them to admit they are wrong on something, they'll just pivot to a new perceived grievance).
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05-05-2023 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Deldar182
ok you got me - link?
I think it's on Doug's Twitter and YouTube
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05-05-2023 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by AAJTo
Charlie voluntarily defended child molesters in a public setting. To put it in a way I am sure even you could understand, if someone defended Hitler or nazi's it would be fair to call him a nazi. You trying to split hairs over whether Charlie "just" defended pedophiles or is a pedophile is not a specific distinction I care about.
I must have missed Charlie defending child molesters. I read his tweets about showing them empathy which I don't agree with but didn't hear him defend them.
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05-05-2023 , 01:35 PM
"The best way to prevent rape of women is to be more empathetic to rapists of women."

"The best way to prevent police shootings of unarmed black people is to be more empathetic to police who shoot unarmed black people."

"The best way to prevent genocide is to be more empathetic towards genocidal people."

I wonder if Phil would support sayers of these statements, and decry those who would ruthlessly drag the sayers of them.
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05-05-2023 , 02:56 PM
Even in this thread, NVG rules still apply.

Personal insults of other posters/other poker players are not allowed. Subsequent posts along those lines will be deleted and the poster will likely be temp-banned.
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05-05-2023 , 04:09 PM
Listening to Galfond on the Twitter spaces call with Doug now. He's so milquetoast when challenged in person/live call. Grow a pair and stand behind what you wrote. And I'm a Galfond fan.
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05-05-2023 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
Listening to Galfond on the Twitter spaces call with Doug now. He's so milquetoast when challenged in person/live call. Grow a pair and stand behind what you wrote. And I'm a Galfond fan.
Galfond did walk right into the lion's den and sounded like a scared little kitty. Polk was licking his chops when trying to get Phil connected on Spaces
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05-05-2023 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
Listening to Galfond on the Twitter spaces call with Doug now. He's so milquetoast when challenged in person/live call. Grow a pair and stand behind what you wrote. And I'm a Galfond fan.
Prolly should just let Farah handle his PR. And RIO poker. Basically anything other than pumping out snooze-fest vids
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05-05-2023 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Defarse
Galfond did walk right into the lion's den and sounded like a scared little kitty. Polk was licking his chops when trying to get Phil connected on Spaces
It's so painful to listen to. Galfond is unable to speak a single straight assertive sentence without some measure of pacification. It's ok to have an opinion Phil.
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05-05-2023 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
It's so painful to listen to. Galfond is unable to speak a single straight assertive sentence without some measure of pacification. It's ok to have an opinion Phil.
Listening right now

My take on Phil

His personality is timid. I think Dougs brash style is very contrary to his and it rubs him the wrong way. Phil kind of addressed the issue with being timid in his article in that being "nice" doesn't always lead to doing the "right" thing. People who are timid often become bitter and resentful. They watch and don't say or do anything. It builds up. This can happen on a scale or spectrum

I think Phil being timid is the reason he wrote the article when he did. The water was warm and the take would be well received, so that's when he did. That brings me to the final observation. People's belief or understanding of their own motivation isn't totally accurate. Like strippers end up on the pole often because of "daddy issues". They really don't have any awareness of how connected their issues with daddy has lead them to get def leppard pumping through the club while they spread eagle for tips. Phil does have a competing training site. Phil is temperamentally very timid and non confrontational. I don't think Phil is a bad guy but I also think he isn't fully aware of his motivations. His perception of doug is filtered through his very different temperament and competing business
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05-05-2023 , 07:29 PM
Galfond is a hypocritical passive aggressive weasel.
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05-05-2023 , 07:54 PM
Reading this thread was a mind-blowing experience. Some of the takes here are so bad that I don't even know what to say. I can't fathom how one's brains would have to be wired to conclude that Galfond's somehow the bad guy here.
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