I knew a girl who was a social worker who worked with child molesters-- "un-rehabable" was how she described them. I didn't know her too well but I'd like to imagine that that's why she did drugs.

Phil going after a competitor who managed to get a bigger following than him by being creative and entertaining rather than bumhunting a literal clown? You hate to see it

I got confused. This bumhunting guy is the same guy who challenged basically everyone in the world in a PLO match after being retired for years? The same guy who wants to play against BERRI SWEET? Because the other guy only challenge weak heads up players like Negreanu, Berkey, Carrel....

And are you comparing RUN IT ONCE with UPSWING?

BTW, if having a bigger following is what matters, then the Kardashians should rule the world.

He seems like one of the most down-to-earth personalities out there, someone who does not crave attention but does what he does as a way to give back. Also not embroiled in many controversies either. A very likeable fellow.

Love your undying hate for Phil over the years. Consistency is what matters.

A clown with billions of dollars though

Yeah because the challenges were all about finding the toughest opponents and not at all about promoting his poker site. Am I not remembering correctly?

A real wizard with RIO lols ...

+1

Peak irony ... lols

Phil joins a twitter space, but he can't seem to join through his phone so he is calling joey on telegram and he is projecting it through his phone to Phil's.

Still having technical issues, peak 2023 we live in.

You literally state that Doug is a bully, who 'dunked on a bunch of internet dweebs to rise to the top' - using the words championships, billion-dollar, and success. So you approve of Doug's bullying, noted.

But you then say that Galfond is bullying Doug, and finish by saying **** off Galfond. So it's ok for Doug to bully, but not Galfond? Yah, probably no bias there. Or, is it that you approve of bullies so much that you think it's unfair to bully bullies?

Anyway, calling out someone who everyone agrees is a bully, is not the same thing as bullying. Ya he's late to the party, Overton window shifted, etc, etc.

If you sub to Doug and you think he's a bully - ok. That's where your head's at, you like bullies. But I'd be pretty confident in saying most people don't - just get comfortable with being at odds with other people. Call them SJWs if it makes you feel better.

I think anyone who's been hugely impacted by having actual bullies in their life is apt to have a strong opinion on bullying. Bullies are a ****ing drag. My dad was a bully, as was the first boss in my professional career. They made me stronger, for sure - but one of the strongest values they gave me is, f*** bullies. Go figure.

Would recommend people listen to the twitter space Doug held, was a good listen.

The conversations with Jnandez and dnegs were cordial and Doug opened up a lot about his childhood to Daniel which was really touching on a human level. Matt Berkey was a bit too aggressive and tried to back Doug into a corner. I mean it's understandle, Doug has called him a fraud and belittled him for a long time so it's personal.

I think by the time Galfond came on Doug had been fighting his corner for 5 or 6 hours already and the conversation ended badly. Hopefully they can pick it up again with a fresh take, can't really blame him for having enough at that point and the talk just abruptly ended. Galfond stood by what he wrote and Doug disagreed and it never moved on from there.

Would be fun to listen to Joey, Daniel, Doug and Galfond talk it out, a calm Berkey too. I don't believe some of the others directly involved in this drama are acting with the best motives.

These twitter spaces need to be recorded and timestamped. Not by me, of course

No its called laughing at hypocrisy ... nothing lower than hypocrite

Yes you are a SJW too, your ilk needs bullied back into your hidey holes (DADDY BULLIED ME LOLS)

You're doing the same thing Doug did. Doug saying it's crazy talk isn't the issue. The issue is calling Charlie a pedo supporter for expressing his opinion on the best way to reduce child molestation. Who knows if he's wrong, he probably is but to make a video and call Charlie a pedo supporter over it was not the play.


At no point did anyone suggest that.

Yeah, someone needs to get of his lazy ass and get this done asap.

When did anyone defend child molestation? Similar to the other poster you're doing what Doug does best.



Why would he go after the poker world? Why would Phil be jealous of Doug?



Coordinated? It's a difficult topic to ignore when it's the most talk about subject right now. Backfire? There's a reason Doug is doing damage control and easing up on personal attacks, he now knows where a large part of the community stands.

They easily have the best PLO content. Don't let your emotions get in the way of being the best PLO player you can be.

Lol my "ilk"

I'm sure you're just a keyboard warrior, but believe me I'd welcome an attempt from you to bully me. It would not end well if you stepped to me. SJW, **** off.

Thanks for that, here's the link:
https://twitter.com/DougPolkVids/sta...819866113?s=20

My favorite gem is this bit about 10 mins from the end, when Doug was talking off the cuff:

You word this as like, Ohh I hate to have to do is I hate to go up there. Ohh this sucks. But guess what. Here's a bunch of **** about Doug come read this and and the things aren't even true. That's how that's how I feel very strongly about that and to to to you know to think that this isn't like the more scathing version of that. It's like the most scathing version because you try and play like you're the good guy here when when you're coming after me in the same way I go after other people.... I just feel it's like hypocritical.

Freudian slip. Note bully does not like getting bullied

IMO, Phil's article was honest and sincere. And a day ago the poker community was attacking Doug.
Then today Doug uploaded a video on YT and host a Twitter Space. When I was checking the video, the comments were still attacking him. Nevertheless, everything changed? Everyone is backing Doug and accusing Phil? And not talking about any facts?
What happened? I really can not understand.

watch out, we have a badass over here

So essentially the twitter spaces at the end was a shitshow. Galfond stood by his claims although did disagree with some of his wording. Phil said he will edit this.

I can see why both feel that way

Galfond is trying to maintain the nice guy image while joining the monkeys in their **** slinging party. Either get dirty or don’t Philly.

Fwiw, I think Galfond has mostly good intentions but it’s a pretty weird look for him to speak up now when he had the opportunity and platform to do so for a decade. Even if he acknowledges this, it’s impossible not to notice. An elephant in the room of sorts.

Phil is an all time great, hall of famer, but should we expect every big name to now weigh in on whether bullying is good or bad? Or to give us their high school level analysis of good vs evil? It was just pretty unnecessary considering he’s not directly involved in these disputes.

Basically, I think he comes off as two faced to some because he’s trying to participate in a nasty mud slinging competition while not getting his hands dirty at all. Could have been possible if he just made a few tweets but he chose to drop an essay and squarely insert himself in the middle. Ironically, his actions are most in line with the way a politician would act, trying to say nothing with a lot of words while still appealing to everyone.

Clearly, Phil Galfond is a standup guy and he rightfully earned the respect of well-thinking people. He earned this by being calm, wise, thoughtful and fair. The piece he brought out yesterday was clearly well thought-out. He spent a lot of time preparing it, and he stands by it.

The two statements in that paragraph are juxtaposed. Becasue Phil respects Charlie Carrel's pain, where Doug Polk was way out of line (I think we can all agree), it somehow sucked him into thinking he can merge his wisdom with Charlie's crusade of putting Doug in his place (phrased as an effort to improve 'the community'), joining the shitshow.

That was not wise. The "I'm not equating things... but it's just like slavery" line of reasoning is bad-faith in the exact same way as "pedophilia is bad". When Phil lowered himself into the domain of Charlie's and Doug's Jordan Peterson style of pointless debase, he lost some of his wisdom.

Not being moralistic, not confining people to behaviors you think are desirable, and not telling people they shouldn't be friends with some people - those were the reasons Phil earned all this respect. Leveraging all the respect for this comparatively small issue is a missfire, and if you ask me, immature. The fact it was so hard to write should have been an indication to press delete at the end, it's not a sign of bravery. Something Phil noticed, but then still clicked 'all-in'.