Obviously Doug has crossed some lines so some of this is justified, do you think Berkey came off good yesterday? He seems like he has some real anger issues, he can’t be this mad over Doug not respecting his poker accomplishments.

Not thinking about everything in terms of good guys and bad guys like it’s a comic book might help you understand some of the posts which are confusing you.

This was why you read before you comment. The criticism against doug isnt that he disagree with Charlie, it's that he went on youtube and called him a "pedophile supporter" multiple times.

I don't really agree with Charlie's position, but there was nothing stated that would accurate characterize him to be a "pedophile supporter".

Even Doug acknowledged later that he didn't know that Charlier had a history of sexual trauma, as opposed to a run of the mill libertarian that thinks that age of consent laws are "woke commie statism"

He, like you, should have done some research before running his mouth off like that.

Yes there is. Its called Charlie's own words.

Yes Doug should have asked Charlie if he was molested before he talked about something that Charlie publicly stated. "Yo dawg before I talk about you wanting everyone to empathize with pedophiles I want to know if you were touched as a child".

This is twitter tactics 101 where people defending pedophilia stay off the topic as much as they can and instead point the finger back at you and try to make you out to be the POS. You are doing a really bad job at trying to deflect in part because 2p2 hasn't mass banned everyone that doesn't accept the normalization of child molestation like reddit and twitter has.

How many times do you hear parents say if someone molested their child they would kill them and most people wouldn’t think that’s wrong because of how disgusting it is and Charlie saying to to show compassion, Charlie obviously says all these crazy things for reactions, obviously Doug screwed up not talking to him first but this is just piling on Doug because people hate him.

This is bs. Normally when someone's child is raped they resolve the issue by finding new ways to show more love and empathy to the child rapist.

When did DNegs develop a lisp?

I want to preface this by saying that I'm not defending pedophilia, but people are clueless in regard to the subject.

Nobody asks why pedophiles do what they do. Last I checked the leading explanation is that they got some wires crossed that make them sexually attracted to children in a way that's outside of their control.

I can only imagine how much pedophiles got screwed in the genetic lottery.

I don't think if i lived in an alternative society hetero sex is deemed immoral and disgusting, that I'd cope in the correct way.

Grunching: both. Phil is the man, I hope the universe keeps blessing him.

Sometimes the bully gets punched in the face when they go too far. You know you've reached that point when Phil weighs in (with his usual well-considered style).

Doug is charismatic and entertaining 90% of the time. It would take some maturity to say "you're right, I didn't fully think things through and what the consequences would be for you". Doug and many others would benefit from some critical thinking as well, rather than view the world as black and white. His approach and competitiveness made him great at HU poker and also funny to be around if you're not on the receiving end, but sometimes you need to tone it down.

Except he never actually said he supports pedophiles did he? I understand you're parroting what your hero Doug said but you're wrong.

Phil Galfond is the new Mike Sexton. Poker Ambassador Extraodinaire.

By the very end I was kind of listening and I believe I heard Berkey come back on and tell doug that the high stakes community all dislikes doug and they all talk about it. Doug is this and that and they all think it.....

Umm wasn't the theme of this thing that doug was a bully..... not accepted or liked by all the cool kids in the high stakes club? kinda weird take

This whole hyperbolic bully take is just a reflection of our hypersensitive times and all the victimology games we see everywhere these days imo. Doug has obviously crossed the line a couple times and should be more careful with harsh accusations as his audience grows, but this whole we spawned a hate demon on poker youtube stuff is absolutely ridiculous

Everyone in the high stakes community loves Berkey because he’s a whale lmao.

I have to say, it's surprising to see Galfond double down and be so happy to surround himself with cuddlebuddies that all agree with him. You don't have to look that far to find people disagreeing with so strongly attacking Doug's character. I don't really mind his opinion that Doug was cruel, but how about just letting this fight pass and not be an ******* unless you're personally affected?

I for one am disappointed he sees this new version of himself as an improvement. I had much more respect for the reserved and measured approach, welcoming criticism. Now it's just these padded "I could be wrong but.." and "of course Doug is welcome to disagree", followed by "I'm disappointed that Doug wasn't his best self yesterday". Get the **** out of here with that moralizing bullshit. The people previously in the fight were pretty much all some form of *******s, what the hell are you doing here Galfond.

Every major religion, ever heralded political philosopher, ever guru of every sort. Every timeless wisdom that humanity has recorded and stored, teaches that this level of compassion is of the highest achievement. I can't fathom the type of evil you must be to deny this community of holding this sentiment. as a virtue.


It needs to be repeated by everyone that disagrees 10 times against those fake accounts that are trying to spread a false rumor otherwise. Doug created the false rumor, doug used his seo and business networking strategies to profit off of the spreading of the meme. The accounts in here that are spreading that obvious like are cleary part of dougs network.

The mods here need to come clean and mod properly. Doug clear dramatically negatively affected this guys life, and damaged him without no way to repair. Doug used all his network and social media outlets including 2p2 for this. The twitter mob did not go after doug, doug was not the victim. Charlie is the clear victim of the twitter mob. This account should be deleted without warning.

Anyone perpetuating the lie that doug created and spread with his business, needs to be deleted.

This isn't a REAL discussion when the topic is doug polker using his business strategies and networks to influence popular opinion about a malicious lie.

This thread is subject to that exploit because of the influence doug has with the greater part of the community. I have REPEATEDLY called out galfond for letting the community down in this regard. Players like him need to get involved in these discussion at the grass roots level. HE needs to be in this thread showing people that he is defending against the LIES that other fake accounts in this thread are trying to perpetuate.

I called phil out when doug made fake apologies about coinflex. Over and over doug can just keep doing this if the community will not hold players accountable socially when they play immoral poker.

And we return, to the definitions I laid one of which is the answer to 'what is moral poker'.

These are high-level question/definitions/observation unfortunately phil galfond chooses to sit out.

We have no savior.

ALSO AT THE VERY LEAST CLUELESS MODS OR MODS PRETENDING TO BE CLUELESS TO ASSHATS SAYING THIS GUY WAS DEFENCING PEDOPHILES.....WE CAN AT LEAST CALL SUCH PEOPLE VICTMS OF BELIEVING DOUGS LIES AND TAKE THOSE ACCOUNTS AS EXAMPLES OF THE DAMAGE DOUG HAS DONE

Also lastly I want to point out that not only have I been calling doug out for years for being an obvious scammer, and galfond the whole time for not using his influence to stick up for the game...but its clear that joey chicago secretly helps doug do these negative things which is a perfect cover for it and joey ingram is part of a provable mutli account scam....

your theory is he's been losing in these high stakes games for ten years and that somehow in a super small community despite losing for a decade he gets rich guys to continue to back him? make sense.

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It should be pretty obvious to poker players that empathy is different from support.

If you've ever seen a guy racking up during his last orbit after a winning session, and thought, "it really sucks to blow a winning night on your last orbit, I bet he doesn't want to play a big pot," and run him off a hand, you were empathizing with him for the purpose of taking his money, not supporting him. And you do this all the time in poker.

Someone asked if we should empathize with cops shooting unarmed blacks or war criminals and stuff. Seems sort of obvious that we should and do. Much ink has been spilled about why the Nazis did what they did. What's the alternative? Assuming that millions of people in one particular place and time just spontaneously decided to be evil?

The cop. Was it just a crazy situation where you can't really fault him? Was he poorly trained? Is he too nervous/fearful to be a cop? Was he acting out of some level of racism? Was he just a psycho who always wanted to shoot someone?

Empathy is one way to start figuring these things out. Obviously, it is not an attempt to "normalize," Nazism or police shootings.